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Re: FEELING THE PINCH IS NO EXCUSE TO COMMIT BENEFIT FRAUD - CALL THE HOTLINE AND H
Originally Posted by rugbymatt
(Post 10205077)
I'd like to report tax evasion. Vodafone pay almost no tax in the UK each year and still owe £6 billion, almost the same amount we have spent on the Olympics. In addition I'd like to report 98 of the FTSE 100 companies in the UK, none pay tax.... none of the 98 pay tax, they evade tax, don't pay their way.
This is just a provisional list, I'll get back to you with some more names and I might even let you have the names of friends who evade tax, work under the radar, only take cash in hand and work while being paid benefits but not until you sort out the guys who are actually screwing the country to the wall..... OK? Have a look at all the companies that don't pay tax. Not just in the UK, but worldwide. In some countries, large corporations operate entirely tax-free whilst receiving subsidies -legally. I wonder how much tax Endesa pays? Telefonica? Volkswagen pays very little. It's the people they employ who pay the taxes. That's why Germany tax-favours major corporations. And now it's becoming even more acceptable to avoid tax - Christ, even UK football clubs are moving offshore. Here, there are so many locals who obviously claim unemployment and other benefits whilst working black. And I'm routinely offered goods and services without IVA, and I can hire almost any service such as repairs, construction, plumbing - you name it - for cash, no IVA, no record of it. Do you really think they claim this as income? it's so normal here, it's a completely disinteresting topic. Nobody seems to care. In the UK maybe there may be enough self-rightious people to make the call, but here, I think it would be useless. They've had it in Germany for many years. It's more like the "jealousy hotline" there. See previous post. |
Re: FEELING THE PINCH IS NO EXCUSE TO COMMIT BENEFIT FRAUD - CALL THE HOTLINE AND H
Originally Posted by amideislas
(Post 10205111)
Here, there are so many locals who obviously claim unemployment and other benefits whilst working black. And I'm routinely offered goods and services without IVA, and I can hire almost any service such as repairs, construction, plumbing - you name it - for cash, no IVA, no record of it.
Do you really think they claim this as income? it's so normal here, it's a completely disinteresting topic. Nobody seems to care. . So not that much difference. And I bet the 5% extra the Spanish government miss out on in terms of tax revenues they save because they pay much less out in ways of benefits That's why noone cares, its not as if people are living it large by working on the black. Mainly just earning enough to feed their family |
Re: FEELING THE PINCH IS NO EXCUSE TO COMMIT BENEFIT FRAUD - CALL THE HOTLINE AND H
****sigh****
Benefit fraud is theft. It remains theft, no matter what some Bankers and Tax Evaders have done. It is never OK to commit Benefit fraud. My husband legitimately claimed a UK State Benefit when we lived in Spain. (Incapacity Benefit). The DWP checked his entitlement to it on three occasions in the eight years; twice by asking him to fill in a Questionnaire (which was bi-lingual and had to be endorsed by our Spanish GP) and once by sending him for a medical with a DWP-approved Dr in Marbella. He never told anyone about this Benefit though, beecause everyone would assume he was faking, as he looks perfectly well(there are such things as invisible conditions). I always thought that if I KNEW, absolutely, that someone was committing Benefit Fraud I would report them, because it stigmatises genuine claimants. However, since returning to the UK, I know a couple who are fraudulently claiming Pension Credit and I haven't reported them. Don't know why. But I certainly wouldn't blame anyone who did. |
Re: FEELING THE PINCH IS NO EXCUSE TO COMMIT BENEFIT FRAUD - CALL THE HOTLINE AND H
I'm not sure that I could ever pick up the phone to report somebody, but it's certainly tempting when confronted by somebody telling you quite openly that they are claiming something or other that they should not be entitled to, when it's other people's taxes that are paying for it. It's surprising how many people are prepared to admit to this sort of stuff to people they don't know very well, it almost seems as though they are inviting you to admire how clever they are for doing it.
I wish that HMRC would put as many if not more resources into pursuing tax evaders, though. The amount of money lost to the Exchequer through benefit fraud must pale into insignificance compared to what they get away with. |
Re: FEELING THE PINCH IS NO EXCUSE TO COMMIT BENEFIT FRAUD - CALL THE HOTLINE AND H
Originally Posted by cricketman
(Post 10205141)
If I remember correctly, the black market is estimated to make up 25% of the Spanish economy and about 20% of the UK economy
So not that much difference. And I bet the 5% extra the Spanish government miss out on in terms of tax revenues they save because they pay much less out in ways of benefits That's why noone cares, its not as if people are living it large by working on the black. Mainly just earning enough to feed their family |
Re: FEELING THE PINCH IS NO EXCUSE TO COMMIT BENEFIT FRAUD - CALL THE HOTLINE AND H
I get as angry as the next person about benefit fraud, but it's been drummed into me from an early age that you don't grass your neighbour.
The agencies concerned have enough resources to catch those horrible people without a grass phoning to inform on the person next door. I don't like benefit cheats, but I hate grasses even more. |
Re: FEELING THE PINCH IS NO EXCUSE TO COMMIT BENEFIT FRAUD - CALL THE HOTLINE AND H
The countries with the supposedly highest percentage of black market in the EU are in descending order, Greece, Italy, Portugal and Spain. Ring any bells? All ClubMed countries, coincidence that these four all need a bail out?
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Re: FEELING THE PINCH IS NO EXCUSE TO COMMIT BENEFIT FRAUD - CALL THE HOTLINE AND H
Originally Posted by agoreira
(Post 10205279)
The countries with the supposedly highest percentage of black market in the EU are in descending order, Greece, Italy, Portugal and Spain. Ring any bells? All ClubMed countries, coincidence that these four all need a bail out?
That, and no enforcement of tax collections.... |
Re: FEELING THE PINCH IS NO EXCUSE TO COMMIT BENEFIT FRAUD - CALL THE HOTLINE AND H
Originally Posted by Lynn R
(Post 10205234)
I wish that HMRC would put as many if not more resources into pursuing tax evaders, though. The amount of money lost to the Exchequer through benefit fraud must pale into insignificance compared to what they get away with. Less than 1% of people on benefits commit fraud, and those who do, campaigners argue, are often the poorest of the poor, and the sums involved very small. |
Re: FEELING THE PINCH IS NO EXCUSE TO COMMIT BENEFIT FRAUD - CALL THE HOTLINE AND H
Originally Posted by agoreira
(Post 10205299)
Less than 1% of people on benefits commit fraud, and those who do, campaigners argue, are often the poorest of the poor, and the sums involved very small.
Seems to me we ought to be applauding those who manage to make a living instead of consuming it... |
Re: FEELING THE PINCH IS NO EXCUSE TO COMMIT BENEFIT FRAUD - CALL THE HOTLINE AND H
Lets get this into perspective. The DWP themselves estimate that benefit fraud costs the UK on average, £1 billion a year. A high amount and I agree, its fraud, illegal, against the law but Vodafone alone owes over £6 million, or, if you want to be fact based about this, 6 years worth of Benefit fraud payments, to HRMC yet when they they were told to pay it they effectively said no. They didn't just say no, they said NO, up yours, bugger off!
Now thats just one company. Of the FTSE 100, 98 are tax evading, we are talking about companies like Sainsburys, Tescos and Morrisons, RBS, BP and the Prudential and of course Vodafone. Its been estimated, conservatively, that its costing £18 billion a year in lost revenues. So we can see that in order to scrape back £1 billion we would rather turn citizens into snide, sly, two faced snakes than go after the money high street names are squirrelling away in order to make sure they can lavish expensive gifts and luxuries on their executives and investors. Smoke and mirrors people, we are having benefit outrage forced on us in order to get away with corporations screwing you.... and its all of you, each and every one of us is suffering. |
Re: FEELING THE PINCH IS NO EXCUSE TO COMMIT BENEFIT FRAUD - CALL THE HOTLINE AND H
Originally Posted by agoreira
(Post 10205299)
There was a Panorama programme on this week about genuinely ill people in UK being refused benefits, signed off as fit to return to work. One was waiting for a heart operation and died during the making of the programme, and it stated that benefit fraud amounted to half of 1%. I thought I had misheard, as everyone tells us they know of loads of cheats, so I looked it up. As you say, it's a small, insignificant figure really, but it's good that they do pursue the cheats, even if to only deter others.
That could only be based on proven cases and I'd be willing to bet that they're only the tip of the iceberg |
Re: FEELING THE PINCH IS NO EXCUSE TO COMMIT BENEFIT FRAUD - CALL THE HOTLINE AND H
Originally Posted by rugbymatt
(Post 10205519)
Lets get this into perspective. The DWP themselves estimate that benefit fraud costs the UK on average, £1 billion a year. A high amount and I agree, its fraud, illegal, against the law but Vodafone alone owes over £6 million, or, if you want to be fact based about this, 6 years worth of Benefit fraud payments, to HRMC yet when they they were told to pay it they effectively said no. They didn't just say no, they said NO, up yours, bugger off!
Now thats just one company. Of the FTSE 100, 98 are tax evading, we are talking about companies like Sainsburys, Tescos and Morrisons, RBS, BP and the Prudential and of course Vodafone. Its been estimated, conservatively, that its costing £18 billion a year in lost revenues. So we can see that in order to scrape back £1 billion we would rather turn citizens into snide, sly, two faced snakes than go after the money high street names are squirrelling away in order to make sure they can lavish expensive gifts and luxuries on their executives and investors. Smoke and mirrors people, we are having benefit outrage forced on us in order to get away with corporations screwing you.... and its all of you, each and every one of us is suffering. Especially the last part! |
Re: FEELING THE PINCH IS NO EXCUSE TO COMMIT BENEFIT FRAUD - CALL THE HOTLINE AND H
I have no time for benefit fraud. I think they are criminals, thieve money that could be sest spent elsewhere, but at the same time, I detest the idea being asked to report one.
Why would I and mine risk the repercussions of "shopping" someone, when we pay people to find them?... "OOH just a minute, "we" sit at a desk, wait for you lot to do our job,fly in bag a few and fly out again (we used calll that the seagull squadron....it flew in, crapped on and few out again BE FAIR, civil servants: you do the job you were tasked with. |
Re: FEELING THE PINCH IS NO EXCUSE TO COMMIT BENEFIT FRAUD - CALL THE HOTLINE AND H
Did you know that not one banker has been prosecuted over the Libor rate fraud, why not Mr UK Gov now get your finger out.
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