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Retired in Euskadi Feb 8th 2024 3:52 am

Farmers' protests
 
We've been in the Aragon province this week and three times have been held up because of farmers driving their tractors in a long line at about 10kph.
Nevertheless they are right in my opinion.
They are screwed by the big agro-businesses (including supermarkets) who set the price for farmers' produce, not the other way round.
And they are screwed by Brussels' red tape, and increasing bureaucracy, resulting in spending more time in the office than in the fields.

All that supermarkets are in business for is to offer the cheapest prices to their customers and pay their shareholders. If some farmers go out of business, tough, the big boys just import from non-EU countries, whose standards leave a lot to be desired.
That includes Ukraine.
Surely, there is no such thing as "cheap food" at any cost.
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...953fe98f19.jpg
Just outside Daroca
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...4ce60481ae.jpg
Near Pamplona


Notdunroamin Feb 8th 2024 5:48 am

Re: Farmers' protests
 
Whatever the rights or wrongs it will achieve nothing.

olivefarmer Feb 8th 2024 7:06 pm

Re: Farmers' protests
 
The EU has rescinded or rolled back several rules already. E.g. not having to halve pesticides.

It is a long time to try and kick the can down the road until after the EU elections this summer.

They are noble policies but not at all well thought out. Bit like electric cars.

growinspain Feb 9th 2024 1:20 am

Re: Farmers' protests
 
At least here in Spain; unlike in France the police beat and arrest the law breakers

Notdunroamin Feb 9th 2024 2:49 am

Re: Farmers' protests
 
Ain't that the truth, in France the Gendarmes are as likely the actively support the farmers and do nothing when they set fire to old tractor tyres on the road then leave local councils to clear up the mess.

VEDShappy Feb 10th 2024 6:33 am

Re: Farmers' protests
 

Originally Posted by Notdunroamin (Post 13239490)
Whatever the rights or wrongs it will achieve nothing.

Maybe yes, maybe no.
One thing is for sure though, if they didn't protest it's guaranteed nothing would be achieved.

growinspain Feb 10th 2024 7:07 am

Re: Farmers' protests
 

Originally Posted by VEDShappy (Post 13239726)
Maybe yes, maybe no.
One thing is for sure though, if they didn't protest it's guaranteed nothing would be achieved.

that is wrong. there are never no protests in the US of A and things get done...

Though there are groups that lobby their respective representatives to get measures passed. Without the inconvenience, destruction and costs to the ordinary taxpayer...

I guess $$$ talks there but here it is only violence and vandalism.

Which is better?

VEDShappy Feb 10th 2024 8:29 am

Re: Farmers' protests
 

Originally Posted by growinspain (Post 13239728)
that is wrong. there are never no protests in the US of A and things get done...

Though there are groups that lobby their respective representatives to get measures passed. Without the inconvenience, destruction and costs to the ordinary taxpayer...

I guess $$$ talks there but here it is only violence and vandalism.

Which is better?

I disagree, I believe here it's frustration. Much as is happening in Texas, you've heard of this I assume.

growinspain Feb 10th 2024 10:45 am

Re: Farmers' protests
 

Originally Posted by VEDShappy (Post 13239732)
I disagree, I believe here it's frustration. Much as is happening in Texas, you've heard of this I assume.

That will be fixed in November... Now it is an open border...Probably a ploy to get more votes...

Retired in Euskadi Feb 10th 2024 6:05 pm

Re: Farmers' protests
 

Originally Posted by VEDShappy (Post 13239726)
Maybe yes, maybe no.
One thing is for sure though, if they didn't protest it's guaranteed nothing would be achieved.

Too true.

olivefarmer Feb 11th 2024 8:23 pm

Re: Farmers' protests
 
Lemons 10 cents a kilo

plastic bag 15 cents

spouse of scouse Feb 11th 2024 9:07 pm

Re: Farmers' protests
 

Originally Posted by olivefarmer (Post 13239928)
Lemons 10 cents a kilo

plastic bag 15 cents

:ohmy: They're AU1.80 per lemon here. Luckily, Mum's neighbour has a lemon tree.

Lynn R Feb 11th 2024 9:09 pm

Re: Farmers' protests
 

Originally Posted by spouse of scouse (Post 13239933)
:ohmy: They're AU1.80 per lemon here. Luckily, Mum's neighbour has a lemon tree.

The 10 cents a kilo is what the growers are being offered by the supermarkets, not the retail price.

spouse of scouse Feb 11th 2024 9:12 pm

Re: Farmers' protests
 

Originally Posted by Lynn R (Post 13239934)
The 10 cents a kilo is what the growers are being offered by the supermarkets, not the retail price.

Oh, right. Any idea what they retail for Lynn? The $1.80 each I mentioned was an offer/special price.

Lynn R Feb 11th 2024 9:19 pm

Re: Farmers' protests
 

Originally Posted by spouse of scouse (Post 13239936)
Oh, right. Any idea what they retail for Lynn? The $1.80 each I mentioned was an offer/special price.

Just an example (Carrefour is not the cheapest supermarket, and they would doubtless be cheaper in small greengrocers' shops and open air markets) they can be bought for €1.85 per kilo or €2.49 for 1.5 kg.

Carrefour: Ofertas en Electrodomésticos, Moda, Alimentación, Informática..

I don't know whether they would be Spanish grown, though, one grievance the farmers have is that the prices they are being offered are being driven down by cheap imports from countries outside the EU.



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