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Old Apr 2nd 2012 | 9:30 am
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Fortunate there weren't people like some of you around years ago, we would have been ruled by Germany now
 
Old Apr 2nd 2012 | 9:39 am
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Originally Posted by jackytoo
Fortunate there weren't people like some of you around years ago, we would have been ruled by Germany now
Yeh, he'd likely have been singing the praises of Chamberlain as well.
 
Old Apr 2nd 2012 | 4:44 pm
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We are ruled by Germany now.
 
Old Apr 2nd 2012 | 4:52 pm
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Originally Posted by Lenox
The Spanish press has been droning on about the Falklands recently - firstly because of the brotherly hispano thing with the Argentinians, and secondly, of course, to compare, contrast and raise the Gib question again (and again...). One writer in El Mundo said yesterday that Mrs Thatcher did everyone a favour, getting rid of Galtieri, dictatorships and tossing prisoners out of helicopters, but another writer appeared today to disagree.
Today's El Mundo 'Malvinas' headline: Cristina Fernández: 'Es una injusticia que en el siglo XXI haya enclaves coloniales' (Yawn!)
The hypocrisy from all the various countries is unbelievable. Ask the Spanish about Perejil they 'own' off Morocco.
 
Old Apr 2nd 2012 | 5:16 pm
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Originally Posted by steviedeluxe
Maybe we had to do something when attacked back in the 80s. But a sensible government would negotiate a gradual hand-over that guaranteed existing islanders the right to stay or to return to the UK (before it splits up!)
...or we could just tell Argentina to **** off?

The Falklands has been governed by the UK, for longer than Argentina has existed as a country. Why should it be handed over to Argentina? Just because it happens to be near by I suppose?
 
Old Apr 2nd 2012 | 5:42 pm
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Originally Posted by Fredbargate
When will they ever learn?

The only way to achieve the integration of the Falklands into Argentina or Gibraltar into Spain is to woo the natives.

Sabre rattling , frontier closures , blockades etc. will they never learn.

How many of you have walked into a bar, slapped a woman in the face, kicked her in the crutch and then asked her to come to bed with you successfully?
Ain't that a fact & had they approached the Islands/British government with good intentions from the off its odds on that the Islands would most probably now be run by them or something like that.
 
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Originally Posted by playamonte
Ain't that a fact & had they approached the Islands/British government with good intentions from the off its odds on that the Islands would most probably now be run by them or something like that.
Not if the opinions of the Falklanders were considered at all it wouldn't.
 
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Originally Posted by steviedeluxe
Same as the Brits view the Isle of Wight or even northern Ireland I imagine. Citizens there have same rights and ability to vote in national elections, unlike colonies and military bases like Gib.

Of course the UK doesn't always look after its colonies. Look up Diego Garcia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depopul...f_Diego_Garcia
I wouldnt be surprised to find that the British Foreign & Colonial (ooops Commonwealth) Office were rather astonished to be told by the GDY's that they actually had anything in the Chagos Archipeligo and mystified as to why said GDY's wanted to "borrow" it under a perpetual lease.

As to the rights of the local Chagosians, well whatever the FCO says happens, they couldnt care less about anyone.
The handing back of a barren rock that had been gifted in perpetuity to the Queen and all her descendents is another example of the mind set in that place. Palmerston said he didnt see any reason for it and that is the mindset of the place even now.
 
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We should bow to this commentator, a wise man who was there at the time.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ooked-war.html
 
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Originally Posted by steviedeluxe
Unless it's people from Diego Garcia or Hong Kong...ok so it wasn't feasible to take on China but can we drop the pretence we are acting in the interests of people?
Not a question of being feasible or not re taking on the Chinese, HK and the New Territories were only ever on a 99 year lease, once that expired, they were always going to be returned to China.
 
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Originally Posted by kimilseung
In light of Spanish views on Falklands and Gibraltar; how does the Spanish media treat the African possessions of Spain?
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The hypocrisy from all the various countries is unbelievable. Ask the Spanish about Perejil they 'own' off Morocco.
Whenever the question of Gibraltar comes up in conversation with Spaniards I ask them about Ceuta and Melilla.
The answer is always the same. " that is different"
 
Old Apr 2nd 2012 | 7:55 pm
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Originally Posted by agoreira
Not a question of being feasible or not re taking on the Chinese, HK and the New Territories were only ever on a 99 year lease, once that expired, they were always going to be returned to China.
Nope !!!
The Island of Hong Kong was ceeded in perpetuity under the Treaties of Chuenpee (1841) and Nanking (1842)
Following an assassination attempt on the Governor whilst visiting Kowloon in 1860 the 5sq miles (IIRC) around the place where it happened were also ceeded in perpetuity. The man accused of the attempt was executed as were all his relatives in every direction irrespective of their involvement. (to totally eradicate the family line)

The New Territories were leased under a 99 year lease and these were the only part that was required to be returned.

A part of Manuchuria, originally known as East Tartary, was ceeded to Russia but has never been returned as is still formally part of the USSR.
 
Old Apr 2nd 2012 | 8:01 pm
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Originally Posted by Fredbargate
Whenever the question of Gibraltar comes up in conversation with Spaniards I ask them about Ceuta and Melilla.
The answer is always the same. " that is different"
I suppose you could say the same about the Canaries, only Spanish because it they have had it the longest.
 
Old Apr 2nd 2012 | 8:09 pm
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Originally Posted by Fredbargate
Whenever the question of Gibraltar comes up in conversation with Spaniards I ask them about Ceuta and Melilla.
The answer is always the same. " that is different"
Well they are different - they are not colonies like Gib and the Falklands, they are similar to the Isle of Wight or the Orkney Islands. The people of Ceuta or Melilla have a right to vote in Spanish national elections the same way people in the Orkneys can elect an MP to the UK parliament.

Incidentally Gibraltar will never come under Spanish rule (unless by some weird set of occurences Spain becomes the world superpower). If the UK left Gibraltar today, you can bet the Americans would walk in by tomorrow. It's too important as a military base.
 
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Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly
Yeh, he'd likely have been singing the praises of Chamberlain as well.
Ah I see we have the "brave" internet warriors here.
 


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