Faith healing
May 2nd 2011, 9:16 am
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Re: Faith healing
(sings) "Don't you wish your girlfriend was hot like me
................Though maybe a little less menopausal!"
May 2nd 2011, 9:44 am
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May 2nd 2011, 9:44 am
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Re: Faith healing
Ha ha. Thanks for redirecting everyone on the forum to my website. Unfortunately I think they may be a bit disappointed................With the website that is. Obviously I'm gorgeous!
(sings) "Don't you wish your girlfriend was hot like me
................Though maybe a little less menopausal!"
(sings) "Don't you wish your girlfriend was hot like me
................Though maybe a little less menopausal!"
I was.
May 2nd 2011, 9:52 am
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Re: Faith healing
I teach "caning (in miniature)" by the way. (Just small scale perversion you might say
) Today I'm caning melons.
May 2nd 2011, 10:01 am
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Re: Faith healing
No, no, no, no, no.
Dick, you come across as an intelligent guy. Now, if you can't actually grasp what science is, how the hell are we meant to explain it to the average guy in the street?
The big bang theory isn't science. Darwin isn't science.
Science is seeking the facts by asking questions.
It doesn't matter if somone gets it wrong along the way, because science is self correcting. We all get together and think that the solution to a given question is (a) rather than (b), and then tomorrow someone else comes along with more data which shows that it is more likely to be (b), or even (c).
That's not a failure of science. It would be a failure if science then refused to consider (b) or (c).
Whichever the path we take, all we hold to be true is up for question and challenge, unlike religion, crystals and so on where you are discouraged from challenging the accepted faiths.
If you do what the old wives say because they say so, and without ever checking to see if they are right, that is wrong. That's not keeping an open mind, it's the slavish following of other people's footsteps.
Keeping an open mind should mean that you never ignore an idea because of its source, and you alwyas test each new idea to see if it really does hold water.
Dick, you come across as an intelligent guy. Now, if you can't actually grasp what science is, how the hell are we meant to explain it to the average guy in the street?
The big bang theory isn't science. Darwin isn't science.
Science is seeking the facts by asking questions.
It doesn't matter if somone gets it wrong along the way, because science is self correcting. We all get together and think that the solution to a given question is (a) rather than (b), and then tomorrow someone else comes along with more data which shows that it is more likely to be (b), or even (c).
That's not a failure of science. It would be a failure if science then refused to consider (b) or (c).
Whichever the path we take, all we hold to be true is up for question and challenge, unlike religion, crystals and so on where you are discouraged from challenging the accepted faiths.
If you do what the old wives say because they say so, and without ever checking to see if they are right, that is wrong. That's not keeping an open mind, it's the slavish following of other people's footsteps.
Keeping an open mind should mean that you never ignore an idea because of its source, and you alwyas test each new idea to see if it really does hold water.
I simply point out that some things that you believe to be true because they are the result of scientific theory may not be so.
Likewise old wives remedies and native remedies from remote parts of the world which have been poo pooed or else considered witchcraft, have later been proved to be quite effective.
In your book if a scientist says x+y=z you automatically believe it.
In a thousand years time our present research and scientific knowledge may well be looked on as very primitive and inaccurate, just as we look back at previous ages in a similar manner.
May 2nd 2011, 10:02 am
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Re: Faith healing
I have a few interpretations of my own.
1. You cane midgets in a confined space.
2. You can normal sized "folk" with a very small cane. 3
3. You cane, but only in minature doses, ie only 1 of the best instead of the usual 6.
May 2nd 2011, 10:09 am
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May 2nd 2011, 10:13 am
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Re: Faith healing
Anyone see that prog by Derren Brown on Faith healing? Nicely exposing the tricks of the trade used by so called healers to delude the weak and the stupid.
I couldn't for the life of me decide which was worse, that people would be so foolish, or that the 'healers' would be so evil as to prey on them.
I couldn't for the life of me decide which was worse, that people would be so foolish, or that the 'healers' would be so evil as to prey on them.
May 2nd 2011, 10:21 am
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Re: Faith healing
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May 2nd 2011, 10:57 am
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May 2nd 2011, 11:17 am
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Re: Faith healing
Once again you deliberately twist my post to suit your own theories.
I simply point out that some things that you believe to be true because they are the result of scientific theory may not be so.
Likewise old wives remedies and native remedies from remote parts of the world which have been poo pooed or else considered witchcraft, have later been proved to be quite effective.
In your book if a scientist says x+y=z you automatically believe it.
In a thousand years time our present research and scientific knowledge may well be looked on as very primitive and inaccurate, just as we look back at previous ages in a similar manner.
I simply point out that some things that you believe to be true because they are the result of scientific theory may not be so.
Likewise old wives remedies and native remedies from remote parts of the world which have been poo pooed or else considered witchcraft, have later been proved to be quite effective.
In your book if a scientist says x+y=z you automatically believe it.
In a thousand years time our present research and scientific knowledge may well be looked on as very primitive and inaccurate, just as we look back at previous ages in a similar manner.
No.
If a scientist says something I will give it more credance than it an 'old wife' tells me.
I always take a statement and compare it to everything I know, or can reasonable assume to be true.
The more outré a claim, the more evidence I require. That's all.
You say that our present scientific knowledge may be looked on as inaccurate. That may be true for the more esoteric, only partly understood things. However, two plus two will always be four, and all the basic science is very unlikely to be demonstrated to be false.
Newton's laws of motion will always apply.
May 2nd 2011, 11:25 am
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Re: Faith healing
I think I'm correct in saying that still to this day, most such chemicals are still harvested from plants, and only a very few are actually made from scratch in the lab.
Now back to the quote. Quinine here is a case in point of the triumph of science over old wives. Quinine was recognised as a treatment for malaria, but it only worked sporadically. One batch of bark would work well when processed into the drug, and the next wouldn't.
I can't remember the guy's name, but I think he was the one who recognised that the rubber plant was valuable, while exploring/crossing a huge tract of south america. He made enquires and asked questions (which is what science is all about) and he discovered that there were two species of quinine tree, very similar, but one was very effective against malaria, the other only slightly, if at all.
To be honest, old wives are very often unrecognised scientists in their own right, noting that a certain herb has a useful effect, and trying others to build up a mental library of such plants.
An old wife who checks and compares each herb to establish the truth is, by definition, a scientist.
See?
May 2nd 2011, 11:46 am
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Re: Faith healing
I knew you'd come round to our way of thinking in the end. 