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Since we are talking about those who believe, or as I like to think of them, the 'Hard of Thinking', here's a little question.

How come faith healers don't do teeth?

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I've got no idea, Bil, but you've made me laugh.

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Excellent!

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At last he is here. A happy day for Catholics all over Britain.... today the Queen will receive a beautiful gift from the Vatican's vaults and in return she will give the Pope a relevant gift from the people of Britain... my guess is that it will be a school satchel... or maybe a "Back to school" set....

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QUEEN TO HAVE LUNCH WITH INSANE CRIMINAL


"Criminal psychologist, Dr Julian Cook, said: "Britain's mental hospitals are full of people like this. Old, confused, fascist perverts who think Jesus has set up camp in their sock drawer. "

I'm crying here!

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I was wondering if he thought he was landing in a third world country this morning, but he didn't go to Heathrow, he went to Edinburgh, didn't he?

Aren't they keeping him out of the West Country? I don't suppose it's worth the risk with all the sheep down there, and Methodists.

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I can't give you the karma you deserve for that, partly thru having sprained my liver laughing.

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Funny thread, you guys are better on the day threads:rofl:

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... and the Orchards eh?

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No, they're on his side.

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Danger sign.;)

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Just too funny!

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I see the pope's assistant likened the UK to a third world country, presumably because the airport was full of tinted people.

Beats a country full of paedos, eh?

In fact when the pope dies, why don't we start a campaign to get him beatified as the patron saint of kiddy fiddlers?

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I was listening to the radio today and it was talking about the study done onto kiddie fiddling by profession that was done in the states, it showed that not only were Catholic priests at the bottom of that list but also that Protestant ministers are far more likely, by about 5-1 to abuse kids.

I think the thing thats pissed people off more is the systematic cover up thats been going on for well over 100 years!

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It’s a funny world we live in, we have a German Pope that used to be in the Hitler Youth, a black American president whose grandfather was a Kenyon Muslim, and the deputy Prime Minister in the UK is a Liberal, although his party got hardly any votes.

Faith? In what?

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There has been a long running cover-uo, so we do not know the number of kiddie-fiddling priests.
The stats you refer to could just be evidence of the success of the cover-up.

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Could it be merely the tip of the iceberg?

http://bsnorrell.blogspot.com/2010/0...rnational.html

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Absolutely and I do accept that the nature of a cover up means that things have been covered up, I just ask if the frenzy over this is more to do with the way its been covered up rather than the actual amount of children involved.

(Disclaimer, I am not now, nor ever have defending anything the Catholic faith has ever done, I never have, I am simply asking a question!)

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I read this week the the "lovable" Cyril Smith was accused various time of fumbling and a fondness for smacking young boys. Despite this not one of the national papers mentioned it at the time:thumbdown: Seems to me this world is ruled by perverts and despots. The Popes vist should have read...

"A 77 year old man who likes wearing long frocks today said the UK was like the third world. His Boss, the leader of the largest pedeophile ring in the world and also wears long frocks decided to go ahead with the visit as he thinks there are a lot of like minded nazis in the UK"

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If they would have gotten their house in good order after the earlier stories, and gone in to rehab, then your probably right, that it would not have angered people as much as it has. Its partly the drip, drip, one country and one diocese after another. It just communicated the message that, at best, they did not really care. They should have spoken to a PR expert.

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I accept that there are paedo priests in all religions.

The fact is that those wrto catholic priests are frighteningly prevalent. It's not just the priests, the monks and nuns have previous for serious abuse, physical, sexual and mental against vulnerable children in their care. In addition, the church's attitude to all this has been dismissive, hostile to the victims and they have done their utmost to drag their feet and ignore the recommendations of the Nolan report.

In addition, the current pope wrote the papal bull that states that anyone who grasses a paedo priest will be excommunicated.

Not the priest, mark you, but the person who tries to bring it to the authorities. This is a completely cynical abuse of power.

As I have always said, if you know someone is a kiddy fiddler, and you do nothing, you are guilty of a serious offence, plus in my eyes you are then 100% to blame for ever offence they commit afterwards, as guilty as tho you had held the child down while the paedo raped it.

The pope knows it goes on, and has done nothing that will realistically even discourage priests from abusing children.

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It’s incredibly sad that this has gone on for so long, hundreds of years, with millions of broken people being ignored, even now. Our law enforcers have failed, because they fall on their knees in the same places of worship where such a disproportionate number of paedos prevail.

I don’t know the answer, but I don’t frequent those places where evil masquerades as religion. Surely the leaders of those religions could simply come out and state publically that all of their priests or whatever will face criminal courts if they dare to interfere with a child?

Half apologies, many years too late, aren’t good enough.

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You are so right. It is a deeply disgusting affront to civilised peoples that a major religion should act in such a hypocritical fashion.

Mind you, the church has always been about oppression, power and the control of people at any price.

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Oh don't get me wrong, this is brilliant, its what they needed, what they have done in the last couple of thousand years is reprehensible, we could open a whole new thread on the Catholic Church and the damage they have done to society............ but as many on here know, I am definitely not an atheist, religion has a place in many places and many people and I have seen first hand what its done to people and for the good, but this whole mess is only going to be good for a few groups of people... extremists in particular.

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As I always say tho, when you compare the goosd it does against the bad, there is the perfect biblical quote.


'Weighed, measured, and found wanting.'

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Unfortunately it is not just the Roman Catholic Church.

The Church of England has and has had perverts in the clergy. Its just dealt with differently.

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.... as has the teaching profession, doctors, care assistants, nursery workers, scouts.... you name it, they are there. My point is, why are we so fixated on Christianity?

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Its Institutional.....I think that is the difference

a teacher might fiddle about, but the profession (as a rule) tries to boot them out and get the police involved. The perp is shunned.

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When any large organization chooses coverup versus openness and correction in a scandal, the story usually takes on a life of its own, and this is what actually has happened today with many religions including catholic, over the past 100 years or more.

Example:

http://christianchildabuse.blogspot....logize-to.html

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Because they are in a position of trust. Becuase they tell you how you should behave. Because they tell you you will go to hell if you so much as have a knuckle shuffle. Because their actions are so at odds with the message of their faith. Because they don't apologise. Because they don't do anything for the victims. Because they don't address the problem. Because they are in denial.

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Because they are men.

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must be a witch, lets burn her.

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A somewhat stupid statement in view of the number of females involved in sex abuse.
As with men the true figures aren't known, but what is known is that a far greater number of cases perpetrated by women go unreported or else swept under the carpet for fairly obvious reasons ,than with men.

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As you cannot quote statistics I think your response is strange but predictable.

Take for instance the RC and C of E in GB...........what percentage do you think were/are women perverts?

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What does it matter? One or a hundred? Not really that important, in fact women are better placed to be involved for exactly the same reason religious figures are, they are seen as unlikely to do it and are trusted.

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I'm not referring solely to the clergy, but to sexual abuse in general, as you appeared to do with your remark, "because they are men".
I've seen a number of documentaries explaining the likely reasons.
For instance women are much more likely to report their partners for sexual abuse, than visa versa.
Men find it much more difficult and embarrassing to spill the beans on their partners, partly because they think it reflects badly on themselves, for not being aware of it happening under their noses and for not having stopped it immediately.
Also they are less inclined to allow it to break up their partnership.
Men often prefer to go on to deal with it themselves, rather than expose themselves,their partners and family to the effects of full exposure.

I'm not trying to justify the conduct of either sex, but merely to partly explain why sexual abuse by men is much more likely to come to light than cases involving women.

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I dont see why the sex of the perpetrator should make any difference because the abused could come forward in later life and expose the abuser for instance.

No I was just curious as to what other people think is the percentage of women sex abusers in the church because I think the majority must be men.

From what I hear from friends nuns were vicious to them but none were tampered with.

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Of course, then again, in secondary school, there was that French student exchange teacher who looked and sounded remarkably like Bridget Bardot in her prime. One could only dream...............no talk of child abuse in those days.:ohmy:

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Exactly,another case to prove my point.
Still having wet dreams about my French teacher.:rofl:

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I think the answer is to take it on a case by case basis.:huh::unsure:


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