The EU wet stamping all British passports
Jan 29th 2021, 3:03 pm
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Re: The EU wet stamping all British passports
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Jan 29th 2021, 8:09 pm
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Re: The EU wet stamping all British passports
Wouldn't bother me if they did it every time you left and came back.
It will make a change to actually get something in the passport for a change. The one the wife has, only has 2 stamps in the 8 years she has had the thing.
As a youngster I used to look at my passport and remember all the places we had been to.
It will make a change to actually get something in the passport for a change. The one the wife has, only has 2 stamps in the 8 years she has had the thing.
As a youngster I used to look at my passport and remember all the places we had been to.
Jan 31st 2021, 8:48 am
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Re: The EU wet stamping all British passports
ROTFLMAO! (Google it)
What about the "One person even pulled out the part of the withdrawal treaty that says the EU wouldn’t wet stamp residents passports" bit, bar talk if I ever heard it!
For the facts see here.
Quote from the document: "Stamping of passports upon entry and exit (Article 11 SBC) (not applicable to documented Withdrawal Agreement beneficiaries)"
There is only one document which fulfils that requirement, the TIE.
What about the "One person even pulled out the part of the withdrawal treaty that says the EU wouldn’t wet stamp residents passports" bit, bar talk if I ever heard it!
For the facts see here.
Quote from the document: "Stamping of passports upon entry and exit (Article 11 SBC) (not applicable to documented Withdrawal Agreement beneficiaries)"
There is only one document which fulfils that requirement, the TIE.
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Jan 31st 2021, 11:38 am
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Re: The EU wet stamping all British passports
For beneficiaries of the Withdrawal Agreement • Documents under Articles 18(1) or 18(4) WA depending on the system chosen by the
Member State (constitutive or declaratory) • Format of the document according to Commission Implementing Decision C(2020) 1114
The Spanish government have said that the old green residencia is acceptable be it A4 size or small card. Yes there has been misunderstanding of that but the Spanish government have reiterated that they are in fact valid. So the TIE is not the only way of proving rights under the WA. I previously posted on this thread the British Embassy response to wet stamping of passports for those protected under WA.
Jan 31st 2021, 3:28 pm
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Re: The EU wet stamping all British passports
See the slide "Specific issues for beneficiaries of the Withdrawal Agreement (1)"
It allows for residency documents under the 2004 directive as proof, but it also says if in doubt, the passport should be stamped.
Another country's border police or airport staff may not know what Spain's green residency certificate means so the EU have come up with the standard format which the TIE uses. Spain's border police should though.
It allows for residency documents under the 2004 directive as proof, but it also says if in doubt, the passport should be stamped.
Another country's border police or airport staff may not know what Spain's green residency certificate means so the EU have come up with the standard format which the TIE uses. Spain's border police should though.
Jan 31st 2021, 3:42 pm
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Not everyone resident gets stamped, it seam to be down to luck. Schengen rules clearly say that if in doubt border guard should stamp. It has been reported across EU that passports are stamped, so not just issue in Spain. Hopefully dust will settle and residents stamping will be rare occasion.
Some travelers have themselves to blame, saying they gave passport and were not asked abut their status. Its up to traveler to present him/her self as resident, otherwise will be treated as visitor.
Some travelers have themselves to blame, saying they gave passport and were not asked abut their status. Its up to traveler to present him/her self as resident, otherwise will be treated as visitor.
See the slide "Specific issues for beneficiaries of the Withdrawal Agreement (1)"
It allows for residency documents under the 2004 directive as proof, but it also says if in doubt, the passport should be stamped.
Another country's border police or airport staff may not know what Spain's green residency certificate means so the EU have come up with the standard format which the TIE uses. Spain's border police should though.
It allows for residency documents under the 2004 directive as proof, but it also says if in doubt, the passport should be stamped.
Another country's border police or airport staff may not know what Spain's green residency certificate means so the EU have come up with the standard format which the TIE uses. Spain's border police should though.
Jan 31st 2021, 4:33 pm
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No one is obliged to exchange green card for TIE. This has been officially ( not some rumour) stated numerous times. There are always going to issues with people passing through controls regarding documents that doesnt mean that not having a TIE is culpa mia. Please stop trying to scare people for the sake it.
Jan 31st 2021, 4:49 pm
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No one is obliged to exchange green card for TIE. This has been officially ( not some rumour) stated numerous times. There are always going to issues with people passing through controls regarding documents that doesnt mean that not having a TIE is culpa mia. Please stop trying to scare people for the sake it.
Feb 2nd 2021, 2:54 pm
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Re: The EU wet stamping all British passports
You keep pushing the point that only the TIE card fulfils the requirement which is not true in Spain. This is copied direct from the link you posted
For beneficiaries of the Withdrawal Agreement • Documents under Articles 18(1) or 18(4) WA depending on the system chosen by the
Member State (constitutive or declaratory) • Format of the document according to Commission Implementing Decision C(2020) 1114
The Spanish government have said that the old green residencia is acceptable be it A4 size or small card. Yes there has been misunderstanding of that but the Spanish government have reiterated that they are in fact valid. So the TIE is not the only way of proving rights under the WA. I previously posted on this thread the British Embassy response to wet stamping of passports for those protected under WA.
For beneficiaries of the Withdrawal Agreement • Documents under Articles 18(1) or 18(4) WA depending on the system chosen by the
Member State (constitutive or declaratory) • Format of the document according to Commission Implementing Decision C(2020) 1114
The Spanish government have said that the old green residencia is acceptable be it A4 size or small card. Yes there has been misunderstanding of that but the Spanish government have reiterated that they are in fact valid. So the TIE is not the only way of proving rights under the WA. I previously posted on this thread the British Embassy response to wet stamping of passports for those protected under WA.
Briefly, long term resident, new employment situation, is told by TGSS he no longer has right to work and must get the TIE first.
Feb 2nd 2021, 6:13 pm
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Re: The EU wet stamping all British passports
I'll bet most of those denied boarding, or worse made it to Spain only to be sent back because they did not have a TIE, are no longer thinking it was scaremongering.
Regarding incorrect stamping, the Schengen Handbook (p68/69) has this to say:
"Best practice: annulment of an entry or exit stamp in cases other than refusal of entry:
There can be cases where a stamp that has already been affixed on a passport has to be
annulled (for example, if the wrong stamp was affixed by mistake by the border guard). In
such cases, the traveller bears no responsibility for it and therefore the stamp cannot be
cancelled in the same ways as when a person is refused entry. It is therefore recommended
to annul the stamp by running two parallel lines through the top left-hand corner of it like
in the example below"
I think if I were to receive an incorrect stamp I'd be tempted to cross it myself and if challenged simply say that the border guard who applied it realised his error and cancelled it according to the above procedure!
Regarding incorrect stamping, the Schengen Handbook (p68/69) has this to say:
"Best practice: annulment of an entry or exit stamp in cases other than refusal of entry:
There can be cases where a stamp that has already been affixed on a passport has to be
annulled (for example, if the wrong stamp was affixed by mistake by the border guard). In
such cases, the traveller bears no responsibility for it and therefore the stamp cannot be
cancelled in the same ways as when a person is refused entry. It is therefore recommended
to annul the stamp by running two parallel lines through the top left-hand corner of it like
in the example below"
I think if I were to receive an incorrect stamp I'd be tempted to cross it myself and if challenged simply say that the border guard who applied it realised his error and cancelled it according to the above procedure!
Feb 3rd 2021, 12:55 pm
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Re: The EU wet stamping all British passports
That is interesting find.
However, having one stamp crossed is one thing, but another having passport full of crossed stamps. :-)
That will raise few eyebrows.
However, having one stamp crossed is one thing, but another having passport full of crossed stamps. :-)
That will raise few eyebrows.
Feb 3rd 2021, 6:47 pm
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Re: The EU wet stamping all British passports
Future doubt or confusion - and therefore stamps - can be totally avoided by having a TIE.
Notwithstanding the procedural delays which have beset applications, something which will very soon come to an end, anyone continuing to hold out on a residencia/TIE exchange will have only themselves to blame if they encounter problems in the future.
Notwithstanding the procedural delays which have beset applications, something which will very soon come to an end, anyone continuing to hold out on a residencia/TIE exchange will have only themselves to blame if they encounter problems in the future.