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Old Nov 27th 2023, 7:03 am
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https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/p...sident-status/

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Old Nov 27th 2023, 9:03 am
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Unless I am interpreting the article incorrectly, It seems that long term residents may move to another member state to work, if that other member state has not restricted the type work undertaken.
The article does not mention whether you can move to another member state for purposes other than work or education. For instance, could a permanent resident in Spain, who is also a third country national, move to Portugal in order to live without working?
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Unless I am interpreting the article incorrectly, It seems that long term residents may move to another member state to work, if that other member state has not restricted the type work undertaken.
The article does not mention whether you can move to another member state for purposes other than work or education. For instance, could a permanent resident in Spain, who is also a third country national, move to Portugal in order to live without working?
I read it to mean that you could do just that. Also, any time spent elsewhere would count towards permanency in Spain.
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I read it to mean that you could do just that. Also, any time spent elsewhere would count towards permanency in Spain.
Yes, if you have been in Spain under the third-country rules. But if you are British and beneficiaries of the Brexit withdrawal agreement, you can only live in Spain, as you don't have freedom of movement. Only those British citizens who moved to EU after Brexit under normal rules for third-country nationals, such as non-lucrative visa, may avail themselves from EU permanent residency.
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Originally Posted by Joppa
Yes, if you have been in Spain under the third-country rules. But if you are British and beneficiaries of the Brexit withdrawal agreement, you can only live in Spain, as you don't have freedom of movement. Only those British citizens who moved to EU after Brexit under normal rules for third-country nationals, such as non-lucrative visa, may avail themselves from EU permanent residency.
I was about to say the same .

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True, WA beneficiaries are in a unique position and regarded differently to non EU residents who come on an NLV.

It's suggested that after 5 years of residency WA beneficiaries may be able to request a 'Long Term EU Residence' card which would bestow rights of movement but I've yet to hear of anyone successfully going down that road.
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We were permanent residents before Brexit and our TIE says permanente on it albeit saying also Articulo 50 TUE, presumably Tarjeta Unión Europa. So are you inferring that we have less rights than someone residing in Spain for more than 5 years having arrived after Brexit with a visa like a NLV?
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Originally Posted by stevesainty
We were permanent residents before Brexit and our TIE says permanente on it albeit saying also Articulo 50 TUE, presumably Tarjeta Unión Europa. So are you inferring that we have less rights than someone residing in Spain for more than 5 years having arrived after Brexit with a visa like a NLV?
Yes, that's my understanding, as a result of hard Brexit withdrawing from freedom of movement. So we can live in Spain permanently, but can't move to another EU country without a visa. Articulo 50 TUE refers to Article 50 of the Treaty of European Union, withdrawing from EU.
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Originally Posted by Joppa
Yes, that's my understanding, as a result of hard Brexit withdrawing from freedom of movement. So we can live in Spain permanently, but can't move to another EU country without a visa. Articulo 50 TUE refers to Article 50 of the Treaty of European Union, withdrawing from EU.
So if I've got this right then a PR under the WA could, if they qualify for a visa, move elsewhere in the EU and afterwards gain the additional benefits outlined?

Maybe this is because there were no specific requirements in the WA other than existing residence prior to the deadline bur the criteria for obtaining a visa are much stricter, and maybe impossible for some?
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So if I've got this right then a PR under the WA could, if they qualify for a visa, move elsewhere in the EU and afterwards gain the additional benefits outlined?
Yes, but it will take further 5 years.


Maybe this is because there were no specific requirements in the WA other than existing residence prior to the deadline but the criteria for obtaining a visa are much stricter, and maybe impossible for some?
Yes, with quite high financial requirement (passive income of around 36,000 euro a year for a couple).
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