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Help. to day my Germans friends Nigrean husband has been refused by the German police to travel to Spain via the UK. He has a Nigerian passport and a visa to live and work in the EU. He was told that it was to do with the SCHENGEN agreement
I dont understand the problem, I thought that it was only to do with entry to Spain from the UK not from Germany to the UK.
Any one help please ?

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Hi,
Is this the same thing you are looking for?
http://www.myvisaadviser.co.uk/about...engen_visa.htm
Sorry, can't help with info., but perhaps Fred James might read this and reply?
Regards,
Carol

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Yes, thanks that is it but I still cant work it out, I didnt see any visa last week when we went back to the UK all I had to do was to give our passport numbers ?

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If that's the same thing, that explains it quite well.

Note; United Kingdom, Republic of Ireland and Switzerland are NOT participants in the Schengen Agreement.

Where as Germany and Spain are.

If you are changing flights in the UK (on their way to Spain) they will need a transit visa. If they are visiting (classed as staying more than 48 hours) they need a visitors visa.

If they don't need to go to the UK ad just want to get to Spain. Look at going via the countries in the list.

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Ne has a Nigrean passport but a vallied Visa to live and work in the EU.

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Erm, Spanish people don't need VISAs to enter England or any other EU country. It's one of the perks of being European and being a member of the EU.

Just like I can jump on a plane tomorrow and go to any EU country without a VISA. Your friend can't do it because they aren't an EU national.

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But he has a EU visa, the worst thing about it is that he feels that it is because he is Black.

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No, he doesn't have a EU VISA. There is no such thing.

He has a Schengen Visa which covers the following countries.

The 15 Schengen countries are: Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Iceland, Italy, Greece, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Spain and Sweden. All these countries except Norway and Iceland are European Union members.

Not because he is black...

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No he has a visa to work and live in a EU state, it seems he also needs another visa to travel.
And he thinks it is because he is Black

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No he doesn't, hehe. By the sounds of it and the problem with the UK, he has the SCHENGEN VISA. This would fully explain why he isn't allowed to enter the UK.

If he thinks it's because he is black, he doesn't know much about the UK :rofl:

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Stop making it a legal issue into a racist one, just travel via the euro zone, not the UK, which isn`t in the Euro Zone and therefore not covered by the Schengen agreement.

It`s very easy to do and only an issue with illegals looking to enter the UK and we wouldn`t want to think that of him.

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No I dont think it is a racist thing, but try telling that to an irrate distressed woman at 8.30 in the morning whose christmas is now ruined, not by the UK police but by the german police who wouldnt let him out, I just dont understand the reason. I understand the agreement thing but why cant he travel, because he has a Nigearan Passport.
And didnt know about the visa.
He traveled via the UK as thie ticket was 58 Euro and the direct route was 300 Euro, but now he cant come, so all is lost.

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He only has a valid visa to live and work in Germany not the whole of the EU.
If he is not an EU citizen then he has to apply to each country he wants to live and work in.
If you look in the DWP site (entering the UK) you will see he even needs one for the UK, now if he was traveling with his EU citizen wife then I think it would be a different story.

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No. His VISA allows him to travel to and via the countries I mentioned ;) It's freely available on the link provided.

The UK is just not one of those countries.

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It would be OK if its a multiple visit visa applied for at the embassy of the main stay country.
Read the bit about the single entry visa, if he applied from Nigeria then he has used is single entry up and should only return to Nigeria or another EU country, if he goes to UK and tries to enter Spain then that would be a second entry to a SCHENGEN country ?

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I understand it can be upsetting, but rules are made for a reason and in these modern times ignorance is no excuse, there is plenty of information available.

Its well known that a non EU passport holder dosn`t carry the same rights as a EU passport holder especially one from Africa.Simply having a passport dosn`t give you free access to the world, we not that free I`m afraid.

You`ll just have to take the hit and make other arrangments.

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As per the initial post. The German Police had issue with him going via the UK, not to Spain. He can travel around the listed countries as much as he wants.

Yes, he can apply for a single trip visa. But he may as well just apply for a transit visa. If he had of done this in advance he would have been approved, as all you have to do is prove your onward travel arrangements.

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That is what I am saying, he obviously must have a single trip visa so is only allowed back to his country when he leaves the Schengen countries.

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Ahh,, sorry then ;)

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Hola! gallerie9,
From your above quote, I am guessing that you are an EU national?

Please reassure your friend and her husband that indeed it is not a racist issue regarding this Schengen visa. It also effects other countries, for example, the Philippines. I know of family members who have to apply for this particular visa (regularly, please note there is a time limit normally) when travelling throughout Europe, regardless of having a British spouse and children. It's a pain, but those are the rules...

When all people travel, they must check that they have in order their visa/passport documentation.

Regards,
Carol

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I was just asking a question, I am English with an English OH.

My German friend just didnt know the new rules and neither did I and obviously her husband didnt either.

All I wanted was to understand the new rule, she said they had previoulsy traveled to the UK and around Europe with out any bother.

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Yes I understand that. I just let her use our internet to book the air tickets. But some how I feel a little responsible as if I could have warned her about needing this extra visa.
Thanks for your reply Carol
Regards
Sharon

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Who did you give Passport Numbers too.

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Love this thread guys, just love it.

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We had to on the net to ryanair.

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That could have been for the Spanish API system, I didn`t know Ryanair only asked for the Passport No.

It isn`t the airlines responsibility to insure you have the correct travel documentation.

The EU is hyper sensitive to travelers from Africa as they seem to keep arriving daily on there beaches without any.

Surely that should have raised some extra need to research.

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I think you will find it is.

If they allow a pasenger to board a flight who subsequently is refused entry due to inadequate paperwork or ID then they get a huge fine.

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Required for return, you can do it when you book, there is an option. Last time we got an e mail while we were away, for the next two visits we have already filled the relevant form in. When we lasty went to the UK with EasyJet. they were warning people sho had not given the required info, they would NOT be allowed to fly back to Spain.

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And have to fly them out of the country again and if they are not allowed entry at the country of origin they can become a stateless person the responsibilty of the airline.

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That dosn`t make them responsible for you obtaining the correct documentation, it makes them responsible if they allow you too fly without the documentation.

If you read the terms and conditions of all the airlines they use this:

"If you do not have proper documentation you could be refused boarding with no recourse or refund.It is your responsibility, as the traveler, to ensure that you have the documentation required to visit the country of choice. ******* Airlines will not be held responsible if you do not have the correct documentation or if you need to cancel your flight".

There only responsibility is if they allow you to board the aircraft without the correct documents, they make steps to insure that there not responsible for your documentation at all other times.

So no the airlines are not responsible for your documentation.

They only insure you don`t enter the aircraft and fly.

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I am not sure that I understand the subtlety of the difference between the two scenarios you mention.

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Its your responsibility to obtain and receive the Documentation, which is what I was refering too.

You cannot ask Easyjet to obtain the info on your behalf.

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If its such an issue jump in the car and drive to spain from Germany. There are NO border controls between the countries on land what so ever. Failing that take the train to paris then the overnight to madrid.