Re: Emergency triangles abolished on motorways
 

If I wish to stay within the law I will have no choice but to obtain a connected V16 beacon for use after January 2026 but I do have a choice of when I replace my current standard beacon, that's why I said I will replace it nearer the date.
The connected V16 beacon is related to the warning signs from what I have read, it allows thd DGT control room to update the signs with warnings of breakdowns and potential traffic disruption. The non connected versión doesn't as its only a warning at the scene.

Re: Emergency triangles abolished on motorways
 

one step closer to "big brother" knowing where and what you are up to 24/7...

Re: Emergency triangles abolished on motorways
 

I have been following EU member countries efforts to reduce the high number of road deaths. Spains effort included warning triangles. I am appalled at the number of drifters. Mostly lorry drivers drifting into the hard shoulder. Probably on mobile or watching videos or just dozing. Then you have idiots broken down, not out of the car and the other side of the Armco. Yesterday I saw a fool stood behind his car , back to the traffic and talking on his mobile…….

Rural roads are a bigger problem . One near us has been upgraded. Lots of sweeping blind corners with nanny state ARMCO on each side. Nowhere to pull off with a broken down vehicle. I suspect triangles are more effective than the new beacons especially in the day.

Re: Emergency triangles abolished on motorways
 

Warning triangles were never in law in the UK only ever a guidance, the highway code suggests you get one though, just dont use it on a motorway (rule 276).
In fact with the speeds on motorways and the way lorries bust past you a triangle will just whip away in the wind....
Supposedly from 2007 (I think) all new cars should have been supplied with one.....

Rule 276 Highway code..
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-high...nts-274-to-287

To be honest most of the countries I have driven, none have a decent hard shoulder for you to pull off safely. Spanish ones are very narrow (Im thinking off the AP7 from Benidorm towards Alicante as it goes over the hills) that one is only about 1m wide (we had to stop once and it was not fun)...

Re: Emergency triangles abolished on motorways
 

Well if I ever break down in the middle of nowhere (or anywhere come to that) I would be pretty happy 'big brother' knows where I am and sends assistance.

Re: Emergency triangles abolished on motorways
 

Id prefer that to be honest.

Here you never wait long for a breakdown truck.
I waited six hours in the Uk in 2020 when a rock went through the radiator of my works van....and I limped the thing to the services.

Re: Emergency triangles abolished on motorways
 

middle of nowhere? Hard to find here...This is not the US west coast, Australia or Siberia...

Glad you have your peace of mind though but you should already have that with your gps, application loaded mobile phone in your pocket. Why another "connected" device is needed I have no idea.

Re: Emergency triangles abolished on motorways
 

I have visited some quite remote areas of Spain . Even when near home if off the beaten track it can be difficult to describe ones location if not a fluent Spanish speaker. Personally I think the fact it provides the DGT control room operator a precise location I think is a good thing. Although I accept it's a bit confusing given new cars have an SOS button. However I suppose one is for use if involved in an accident and one for break downs primarily. That said older vehicles will not have the SOS button facility so whether breakdown or accident if you trigger a connected beacon it will give emergency services a good location.

Re: Emergency triangles abolished on motorways
 

does not 112 / nineoneone calls do the same on a mobile or landline? Apple phones/watches can even call help when in an accident or fallen in your home. Is there a "call" button on these directly connected flashers?

If they want to introduce new tech for a mass purchased item then it should be "part of the item"; not an extra expense. only an x-tra expense for those who continue to use their older vehicles. California is a good example of different specs other than the rest..

Re: Emergency triangles abolished on motorways
 

There isn't a call button my understanding is it sends a signal that DGT can receive and keeps sending while on. That gives the control room your location I presume from GPS automatically. If you rang 112 and know your precise location you could do that but 112 is emergency so for an accident not really a breakdown.

Re: Emergency triangles abolished on motorways
 

I have a small but maybe important question about these devices.
Will they be registered to you or your vehicle at time of purchase????

My reasoning being, that some unscrupulous person, could activate one and place on or near a busy junction and cause all sorts of traffic issues.

Imagine them being used in the Uk and you place one maliciously at J21 of the M25 leading up its junction with the M1, think of the traffic chaos this would cause...
The overhead signs would warn of an incident, lanes would be closed and when you get there, nothing........
Not suggesting that it will happen but if someone like me can think of this then those with malice in mind may already have..

Re: Emergency triangles abolished on motorways
 

I don't know the answer to that all I know is what I have read online. I agree that certainly could be an issue. Especially if a protest group got hold of or access to a large number and set them off at same time to cause disruption of control room.

Re: Emergency triangles abolished on motorways
 

These are for use only in Spain. It is a Spanish invention and Spanish money invested into the idea. Chinese copied and flood the market with cheaper examples. The Spanish changed the goal posts so that the V16 connects to the DGT.
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/V16#Historia
For me the question is how will you know if the V16 has connected to the DGT and what happens after? I suppose Tráfico is sent to see what is the problem is.

Re: Emergency triangles abolished on motorways
 

Being stationary on a highway shoulder is a bad place to be whether or not you are in a vehicle. I have seen estimates for both the UK and US that approximately one in seven fatalities on moterways/ interstates are of people who were either standing or in a stationery vehicle on the shoulder.

I have been aware of this for a long time, and recall some years ago when I was on a coach in the UK that experienced a freak accident, the coach ran over a petrol tanker delivery hose, and it whipped up under the coach and punctured the diesel tank. The coach driver stopped on the shoulder of the M25, called for a replacement coach and tow truck, and instructed everyone to get off the bus. ..... About half the passengers remained on the shoulder of the M25 :scaredhair: chatting with the driver, and the other half followed my lead, even though I was only 24 at the time, and most passengers were older than me, up the grassy bank and over the fence to sit in a field and wait for the replacement coach. IMO the coach driver was entirely to blame for the risk that half the passengers were exposed to, and I suspect that his behaviour was contrary to company policy for passenger safety.

The driver had already been rude to passengers when he picked us up at Dover, and was reprimanded following at least one complaint about his behaviour (I knew other drivers from the same company). After being reprimanded, either same or next day, he punched a passenger, and was fired.

Re: Emergency triangles abolished on motorways
 

How DGT 3.0 works:

Cómo funciona DGT 3.0, la plataforma de vehículo conectado que promete no vigilar y sancionar conductores

I wonder how this is going to work with visiting cars, because you'd have to carry something in your car that in theory will be something only sold in Spain.