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Emergency triangles abolished on motorways
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Re: Emergency triangles abolished on motorways
Note that there are two types. One is analogue and the other connectsto DGT to show your location. The analogue version has been around for some time and is still on sale, but it will not be legal after 2025. You can buy the connected one now and it will be legal after 2025. Its about twice the price of the analogue version - it is identified as being "connected" or "IoT"
This is an example of the online version. https://www.amazon.es/FLASH-LED-Emer...d_i=B0BZHZWGGT This is the basic version. https://www.amazon.es/Hero-Driver-LE...d_i=B08429LGJG |
Re: Emergency triangles abolished on motorways
Are you sure the non connected one will be not legal?
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What a cock up.
Nothing to be used at all. DGT's Pere Navarro sighting in the UK drivers no longer have to put up warning triangles is also bull. The country has never has used warning triangles.It is still advised to leave the vehicle and wait the other side of the crash barrier. I find the emergency hard shoulder here in Spain to be narrower than other countries. |
Re: Emergency triangles abolished on motorways
Originally Posted by Notdunroamin
(Post 13201469)
Are you sure the non connected one will be not legal?
https://n332.es/everything-you-need-...rgency-lights/ |
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I'm somewhat confused at this. I got a new car in December and it came with no triangles but an emergency pack including one of these beacons. I have no idea if the beacon has a locater. However the car has an SOS button located near to the rear view mirror. The dealer explained in any emergency situation press the sos button and that informs emergency services of alarm and location?
https://www.sikkerhverdag.no/en/bein...y%20situation. |
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Originally Posted by DLC
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Originally Posted by Fred James
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It would seem there are actually 3 types of v16 Emergency beacons. The standard one that simply flashes. The smart on which is same as standard but has blue tooth connectivity to your mobile phone for emergency and the ITT one that contains a independant Sim card which automatically connects to DGT control. It is only the ITT one that will be legal after 2026 so even if you have the smart one that will not be legal after 2026. I had a quick look at mine which is a smart flash but can't work out if it's basic one or ITT one. It came with the new car which I picked up mid December. It would seem the standard one uses the square transistor radio type battery and the ITT one uses 4 aaa batteries so I will have to investigate. Seemingly the ITT ones have a 12 year life on the sim card and there is no ongoing charge for connectivity.
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Wonder why the Spanish have gone down the route of eCall lights? Vehicles approved for manufacture after 31 March 2018, it must have the 112-based eCall system installed. This rule applies both to cars with no more than 8 seats and light commercial vehicles. A manual call button is also provided.
The ITV requires the eCall system to be tested if fitted. The rest of Europe use Triangles and/or hazards. I have not read about the unacceptable number deaths from placing triangles in other countries. Several issues which will mess up the functioning of this. Firstly visitors from other countries may not be aware of the need to us any sort of V16 lamp. The requirement of a eCall one will only further complicate things. How are these used on Commercial vehicles and lorries? The are meant o be placed on a roof. That is not possible on taller vehicles. Lorries do not have have an all steel cab. The magnet will be ineffective. The bodies of coaches also are not made from steel. How are the use of the V16 lamps on larger vehicles not going to be obscured. The requirement for the use of batteries is going to be a problem. How many of us have a torch and have not checked it for ages only to find out when you need it it the power has drained away? |
Re: Emergency triangles abolished on motorways
Originally Posted by Casa Santo Estevo
(Post 13201726)
Wonder why the Spanish have gone down the route of eCall lights? Vehicles approved for manufacture after 31 March 2018, it must have the 112-based eCall system installed.
In Spain the average age of cars at 13.1 years while in the EU as a whole it's 11.8 years. I have not read about the unacceptable number deaths from placing triangles in other countries. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen. It's highly likely you wouldn't have read about it in Spain either if they weren't introducing them! Several issues which will mess up the functioning of this. Firstly visitors from other countries may not be aware of the need to us any sort of V16 lamp. The requirement of a eCall one will only further complicate things. How are these used on Commercial vehicles and lorries? The are meant o be placed on a roof. That is not possible on taller vehicles. Lorries do not have have an all steel cab. The magnet will be ineffective. The bodies of coaches also are not made from steel. How are the use of the V16 lamps on larger vehicles not going to be obscured. The requirement for the use of batteries is going to be a problem. How many of us have a torch and have not checked it for ages only to find out when you need it it the power has drained away? It's early days yet but there are myriad ways the potential problems you mention can be addressed. Private car drivers may be able to hire them for instance and larger or commercial vehicles could have them built in. Battery life could be an issue (rechargeable models are available) but when they become obligatory having a non functional device could be made subject to a fine which, technically, not carrying triangles already is. It could also be made part of the ITV. I already have one of the basic lights in my car (have had it since they first appeared on the market around a couple of years ago) and I will be perfectly happy to invest in an approved DGT 3.0 connected device in due course. |
Re: Emergency triangles abolished on motorways
Originally Posted by Notdunroamin
(Post 13201741)
I already have one of the basic lights in my car (have had it since they first appeared on the market around a couple of years ago) and I will be perfectly happy to invest in an approved DGT 3.0 connected device in due course.
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Re: Emergency triangles abolished on motorways
Originally Posted by Notdunroamin
(Post 13201741)
In Spain the average age of cars at 13.1 years while in the EU as a whole it's 11.8 years.
Originally Posted by Notdunroamin
(Post 13201741)
Doesn't mean it doesn't happen. It's highly likely you wouldn't have read about it in Spain either if they weren't introducing them!
https://cinea.ec.europa.eu/system/fi...202022-web.pdf [QUOTE=Notdunroamin;It's early days yet but there are myriad ways the potential problems you mention can be addressed. Private car drivers may be able to hire them for instance and larger or commercial vehicles could have them built in. Battery life could be an issue (rechargeable models are available) but when they become obligatory having a non functional device could be made subject to a fine which, technically, not carrying triangles already is. It could also be made part of the ITV.[/QUOTE] Is it early days? They have a number of years, and several design changes to correct the usage and mistakes, Bing built in needs a change to the EU Coc. That is not going to happen for one counties requirement. Why restrict this to lorries? Why not make it obligatory to all vehicles? How would this rental system work? Issuing fines that its obvious solution that works. Just like it does for wearing seat belts or drinking and driving. The idea of forming part of a ITV would not work. After all they have never tested/ looked to at triangles.
Originally Posted by Notdunroamin;The bottom line is that there are many many times more positives to the device than negatives, one major benefit being that the connectivity means that overhead warnings can be automatically triggered alerting following traffic to an incident long before it arrives on scene, so if they prevent even one unnecessary death they get my vote all day long.[/QUOTE
I already have one of the basic lights in my car (have had it since they first appeared on the market around a couple of years ago) and I will be perfectly happy to invest in an approved DGT 3.0 connected device in due course.
Originally Posted by bobd22
(Post 13201832)
Like you I will much nearer to 2026 get a DGT approved connected type.
Has anyone not noticed how narrow the safety verge is on Spanish roads? They are not even a lane width wide. Does this not have a consequence of the ultimate number of deaths? Has anyone read what Pere Navarro has said on this? En el Reino Unido han quitado la obligación de bajar a colocar el triángulo en autopista y autovÃa. https://elpais.com/espana/2023-03-31...-conducir.html |
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