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paddy07 Sep 3rd 2006 6:48 am
electric in pago
 
I here there starting to cut of shared meters in pago now :mad:

Fred James Sep 3rd 2006 8:12 am
Re: electric in pago
 
And where is Pago?

poollounger Sep 3rd 2006 8:49 pm
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Originally Posted by Fred James
And where is Pago?
Chiclana....do you know anyone who has been disconnected for certain ??? Rumours can sometimes worry people unneccessarily.

Chiclanagir Sep 3rd 2006 11:12 pm
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Originally Posted by poollounger
Chiclana....do you know anyone who has been disconnected for certain ??? Rumours can sometimes worry people unneccessarily.
I know people in Marquesado and also there is a chap up near you called John who has been told he definitely won´t be allowed electric. My neighbour was cut off twice end of last week (Pago) and he has a meter but I don´t think our builder had paid the bill (still not in our names) the odd thing was they didn´t cut ours and it is the same builder and the meters were put in at the same time!

jjh Sep 4th 2006 4:18 am
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Originally Posted by glynis
I know people in Marquesado and also there is a chap up near you called John who has been told he definitely won´t be allowed electric. My neighbour was cut off twice end of last week (Pago) and he has a meter but I don´t think our builder had paid the bill (still not in our names) the odd thing was they didn´t cut ours and it is the same builder and the meters were put in at the same time!
Hi Glynis

Better get the name sorted out as it's illegal for your builder to re-sell electricity to you, which in effect he is doing if you are giving him money. That's the reason that they are now starting to cut off shared meters.

Chiclanagir Sep 4th 2006 5:14 am
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Originally Posted by jjh
Hi Glynis

Better get the name sorted out as it's illegal for your builder to re-sell electricity to you, which in effect he is doing if you are giving him money. That's the reason that they are now starting to cut off shared meters.
The meter isn´t shared and we haven´t paid him any money. Apparently he has now paid the fine and is getting the meter put in our name, hopefully!!!!!!

jjh Sep 4th 2006 5:47 am
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Originally Posted by glynis
The meter isn´t shared and we haven´t paid him any money. Apparently he has now paid the fine and is getting the meter put in our name, hopefully!!!!!!

I'm sure this isn't the case as far as you are concerned, Glynis, but thought others ought to know this. In Marquesado, my friend's neighbour had the meter that was at his house taken out because it wasn't registered to that property. It was discovered when they came to disconnect the rest of the houses for illegal supply. :eek:

paddy07 Sep 4th 2006 6:58 am
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Hi Glynis you need to get your meter in your name and get your builder to do it quick other wise they will come to cut you all off i have had this done to me and not very nice

dazzle Sep 4th 2006 7:10 am
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I can't understand why he didn't just register the meter in your name from outset. I would have thought it would be simpler in the long run.

paddy07 Sep 4th 2006 7:14 am
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i think it might have to do with all the money they have to pay and we all no they dont like parting with there dinero :confused:

dazzle Sep 4th 2006 7:17 am
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Originally Posted by jjh
I'm sure this isn't the case as far as you are concerned, Glynis, but thought others ought to know this. In Marquesado, my friend's neighbour had the meter that was at his house taken out because it wasn't registered to that property. :eek:
This happened to a friend of mine when she applied to have the name changed.

Dxf Sep 4th 2006 10:20 am
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Hi I think that they are removing agricultural meters that are supplying residentual houses that are not in the "yellow" (soon to be urbanised zone). So a friend who has been cut off told me. However, if you are cut off AND are in a yellow zone, simply supply a 901 / 902 and request a meter (some hopes) DXF

poollounger Sep 4th 2006 6:50 pm
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We were told from the outset that we had our own meter, and have been paying by a standing order, with an account number. There are several meters on the gated entrance to our cul de sac. When our elex went a while back we ascertained (we think) which one was ours as it has an extra RCB which had tripped. The bills we believed were going to the estate agent, but this was not so. A trip to Endesa revealed that they were going to the vendor, who has a large visible office in town. We changed the address to our friends in Barossa. However the first two bills that arrived were in different amounts to the standing orders. So we made a visit in person to to the vendor's office with a Spanish friend, who explained the situation. Some head scratching later the secretary was on the case, and has phoned to tell my friend that we should know have the correct bill, as Endesa had not tallied meters etc etc. We shall see. Or maybe get disconnected instead?? :confused: :D :eek: I think they just get it confused and wrong sometimes ??

Chiclanagir Sep 4th 2006 10:46 pm
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Originally Posted by poollounger
We were told from the outset that we had our own meter, and have been paying by a standing order, with an account number. There are several meters on the gated entrance to our cul de sac. When our elex went a while back we ascertained (we think) which one was ours as it has an extra RCB which had tripped. The bills we believed were going to the estate agent, but this was not so. A trip to Endesa revealed that they were going to the vendor, who has a large visible office in town. We changed the address to our friends in Barossa. However the first two bills that arrived were in different amounts to the standing orders. So we made a visit in person to to the vendor's office with a Spanish friend, who explained the situation. Some head scratching later the secretary was on the case, and has phoned to tell my friend that we should know have the correct bill, as Endesa had not tallied meters etc etc. We shall see. Or maybe get disconnected instead?? :confused: :D :eek: I think they just get it confused and wrong sometimes ??
Now I am confused. Was the bill actually in your name?

poollounger Sep 5th 2006 7:58 pm
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Originally Posted by glynis
Now I am confused. Was the bill actually in your name?
No in the vendors name but standing order from our bank account....fingers crossed. We did go in to Endesa and tell them the situation. The vendor had owned the land, employed a builder. We shall see. The meters have certainly been there for a while.

gallerie9 Sep 5th 2006 8:08 pm
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Originally Posted by poollounger
No in the vendors name but standing order from our bank account....fingers crossed. We did go in to Endesa and tell them the situation. The vendor had owned the land, employed a builder. We shall see. The meters have certainly been there for a while.

When we brought our house the estate agent changed everything in to our name. the electric the water etc. That was done before any money was taken from our account.

poollounger Sep 5th 2006 8:26 pm
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Originally Posted by gallerie9
When we brought our house the estate agent changed everything in to our name. the electric the water etc. That was done before any money was taken from our account.
The estate agent was going to do it....we don't have mains water, sewage or land telephone.. she said she would go and stand in line as part of her service, but the vendor said he would do it on the phone, just needed a photocopy of our passports, NIE number and bank account details. We are not unduly concerned yet, as it may just have been easier to leave the bills in his name as they are going to his office. Imagine trying to do something similar in Britain??

Chiclanagir Sep 6th 2006 5:34 am
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As a matter of interest I had a look at the web site of my estate agent. Loads of properties in Marquesado, but, not one mention of legal properties or problems with electricity and water in the area. Strange! Mind you the prices have gone up some since we bought two years ago.

paddy07 Sep 7th 2006 6:46 am
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Originally Posted by glynis
As a matter of interest I had a look at the web site of my estate agent. Loads of properties in Marquesado, but, not one mention of legal properties or problems with electricity and water in the area. Strange! Mind you the prices have gone up some since we bought two years ago.
Thats right they will never tell you the bad news , but the good is property has gone up in price only if you have a meter, if you have had your electric removed and on a generator at the moment its not Worth a great deal :scared:

BIG JIM Sep 7th 2006 11:18 am
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Originally Posted by paddy07
Thats right they will never tell you the bad news , but the good is property has gone up in price only if you have a meter, if you have had your electric removed and on a generator at the moment its not Worth a great deal :scared:
My nextdoor neighbour (who is Spanish) works for Endesa (high up in the office)and the rule is simple if the meter contract is in YOUR NAME you are LEGAL,
If the meter contract is in your builders, estate agents, previous owner, a bloke you meet in a venta or even the stray dog by the bins name it is ILLEGAL AND YOU WILL BE CUT OFF
this is as near to the horses mouth as you will get.do not believe anyone who tells you otherwise.
until you have a contract in your name get those candles ready :scared:
and if you live in PAGO DEL HUMO, CHICLANA you WILL be next for the CHOP
YOU WOULD NOT BUY A HOUSE IN THE U.K WITH OUT A LEGAL ELECTRIC CONTRACT, SO WHY DO IT HERE.

Chiclanagir Sep 8th 2006 2:59 am
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Originally Posted by BIG JIM
My nextdoor neighbour (who is Spanish) works for Endesa (high up in the office)and the rule is simple if the meter contract is in YOUR NAME you are LEGAL,
If the meter contract is in your builders, estate agents, previous owner, a bloke you meet in a venta or even the stray dog by the bins name it is ILLEGAL AND YOU WILL BE CUT OFF
this is as near to the horses mouth as you will get.do not believe anyone who tells you otherwise.
until you have a contract in your name get those candles ready :scared:
and if you live in PAGO DEL HUMO, CHICLANA you WILL be next for the CHOP
YOU WOULD NOT BUY A HOUSE IN THE U.K WITH OUT A LEGAL ELECTRIC CONTRACT, SO WHY DO IT HERE.
Well it was Endesa´s contractors who put our meter in (Pago) so surely they wouldn´t put an illegal meter in!!!! Also your last comment, no you wouldn´t but when you are told by your solicitor that you will have a legal meter you tend to believe them, especially when you have no knowledge of the problems in the area.

poollounger Sep 8th 2006 6:33 am
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Originally Posted by BIG JIM
My nextdoor neighbour (who is Spanish) works for Endesa (high up in the office)and the rule is simple if the meter contract is in YOUR NAME you are LEGAL,
If the meter contract is in your builders, estate agents, previous owner, a bloke you meet in a venta or even the stray dog by the bins name it is ILLEGAL AND YOU WILL BE CUT OFF
this is as near to the horses mouth as you will get.do not believe anyone who tells you otherwise.
until you have a contract in your name get those candles ready :scared:
and if you live in PAGO DEL HUMO, CHICLANA you WILL be next for the CHOP
YOU WOULD NOT BUY A HOUSE IN THE U.K WITH OUT A LEGAL ELECTRIC CONTRACT, SO WHY DO IT HERE.
Interesting......if the meter is registered in a name which is John Doe, how are they to know whether he is the rightful owner or occupier of the house if they have no other documentation ??? For all they know the builder could be living there, and even have more than one house (or wife). If the bill is in the builders name but the standing orders are coming out of your account direct to Endesa then how do they reconcile the two ?? I think it can be a lot more complicated than you think....

culchie Sep 10th 2006 7:53 pm
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Originally Posted by poollounger
Interesting......if the meter is registered in a name which is John Doe, how are they to know whether he is the rightful owner or occupier of the house if they have no other documentation ??? For all they know the builder could be living there, and even have more than one house (or wife). If the bill is in the builders name but the standing orders are coming out of your account direct to Endesa then how do they reconcile the two ?? I think it can be a lot more complicated than you think....
Recently our builder's lads came along and did some prep work on our elec. cables, promptly followed by Endesa's contractors who installed a meter. Then I went to Endesa and registered that meter in my name (easy - you need escritura, DNI and bank code plus the meter no and the builder's name). Subsequent to that another batch of Endesa contractors came along and changed the first meter for a second one which is now MY meter. I think the first one was a builder's meter or something. Don't wait for your builder to change the name ...DIY.

poollounger Sep 10th 2006 10:46 pm
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Originally Posted by culchie
Recently our builder's lads came along and did some prep work on our elec. cables, promptly followed by Endesa's contractors who installed a meter. Then I went to Endesa and registered that meter in my name (easy - you need escritura, DNI and bank code plus the meter no and the builder's name). Subsequent to that another batch of Endesa contractors came along and changed the first meter for a second one which is now MY meter. I think the first one was a builder's meter or something. Don't wait for your builder to change the name ...DIY.
Sounds like something similar to what we have...we did try to the change the name but they mixed it up at Endesa...builder/vendor's administrator phoned to say it had all been sorted and would be correct on the next bill.. we shall see...

Chiclanagir Sep 10th 2006 10:50 pm
Re: electric in pago
 
Originally Posted by culchie
Recently our builder's lads came along and did some prep work on our elec. cables, promptly followed by Endesa's contractors who installed a meter. Then I went to Endesa and registered that meter in my name (easy - you need escritura, DNI and bank code plus the meter no and the builder's name). Subsequent to that another batch of Endesa contractors came along and changed the first meter for a second one which is now MY meter. I think the first one was a builder's meter or something. Don't wait for your builder to change the name ...DIY.
Did you have to pay a fine? Where do you live?

paddy07 Sep 16th 2006 8:23 am
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Originally Posted by glynis
Did you have to pay a fine? Where do you live?
anyone have any more news on the electric in pago

culchie Sep 16th 2006 10:50 am
Re: electric in pago
 
Originally Posted by paddy07
anyone have any more news on the electric in pago

Yes, Out around Venta Raya they have been in with the diggers and torn out 500m + of elec. supply.
lines/post etc. Also anyone on a shared meter is now on the hit-list and they are being disconnected too.

BIG JIM Sep 16th 2006 8:52 pm
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Originally Posted by culchie
Yes, Out around Venta Raya they have been in with the diggers and torn out 500m + of elec. supply.
lines/post etc. Also anyone on a shared meter is now on the hit-list and they are being disconnected too.
I live in Pago and the digger, endesa and the police where in the road next to mine on friday, I went to watch and they where ripping out the cable to the line of villas.
thankfully I have my own meter shared with no one,
some people think they are safe if they chip in with a few euros when the bill comes in at the neighbours whose meter it is, or if they pay the builder but this is re-selling electric, which is illegal.

culchie Sep 16th 2006 9:02 pm
Re: electric in pago
 
Originally Posted by BIG JIM
I live in Pago and the digger, endesa and the police where in the road next to mine on friday, I went to watch and they where ripping out the cable to the line of villas.
thankfully I have my own meter shared with no one,
some people think they are safe if they chip in with a few euros when the bill comes in at the neighbours whose meter it is, or if they pay the builder but this is re-selling electric, which is illegal.
Apparently people who had shared meters had everything ripped out including the meter - leaving gaping holes in walls So anyone in this situation should have it regularised asap.

flamingo Sep 17th 2006 12:54 am
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Originally Posted by BIG JIM
I live in Pago and the digger, endesa and the police where in the road next to mine on friday, I went to watch and they where ripping out the cable to the line of villas.
thankfully I have my own meter shared with no one,
some people think they are safe if they chip in with a few euros when the bill comes in at the neighbours whose meter it is, or if they pay the builder but this is re-selling electric, which is illegal.

Hi Big Jim

We also live in Pago del Humo and have not been out since April.

Where abouts in Pago del Humo were they ripping out the cables. Do you know the street name.

no lecee jon Sep 21st 2006 5:19 am
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Originally Posted by Dxf
Hi I think that they are removing agricultural meters that are supplying residentual houses that are not in the "yellow" (soon to be urbanised zone). So a friend who has been cut off told me. However, if you are cut off AND are in a yellow zone, simply supply a 901 / 902 and request a meter (some hopes) DXF
why some hopes with the 901]902 !!!!!!! :confused:

paddy07 Sep 21st 2006 7:21 am
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Get all your forms in and wait and see, it will take a long time to sort out, do you live in pago they are hitting that area hard now :mad:

no lecee jon Sep 21st 2006 7:32 am
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Originally Posted by paddy07
Get all your forms in and wait and see, it will take a long time to sort out, do you live in pago they are hitting that area hard now :mad:
yes, pago de melilla, we have 4 casa's in our road cut off now, for the past 8 weeks we are all fighting in different ways to get the meter

BIG JIM Sep 21st 2006 7:00 pm
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Originally Posted by no lecee jon
yes, pago de melilla, we have 4 casa's in our road cut off now, for the past 8 weeks we are all fighting in different ways to get the meter
I heard of more cut off's last night, somewhere near to the Venta Florentina, does anybody know exactly where.
Also on a different note, I like what they have done to the Florentina

Chiclanagir Sep 22nd 2006 3:50 am
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Originally Posted by BIG JIM
I heard of more cut off's last night, somewhere near to the Venta Florentina, does anybody know exactly where.
Also on a different note, I like what they have done to the Florentina
I believe it is actually near Venta Angelina. It will be better in the winter at Florentinas but I wish they would vary the menu with some specials.

flamingo Sep 24th 2006 5:09 am
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Originally Posted by BIG JIM
I heard of more cut off's last night, somewhere near to the Venta Florentina, does anybody know exactly where.
Also on a different note, I like what they have done to the Florentina

Hi Big Jim

You have not yet replied to my earlier posting.

What was the street name where Endessa was supposed to be ripping out the cables.

We've got a property in Pago del Humo, we are not there a lot, and it is quite worrying when people post rumours without giving any details.

It is possible to name streets, the Chiclana Town hall website provide a very good A-Z of the area.

BIG JIM Sep 24th 2006 6:51 am
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Originally Posted by flamingo
Hi Big Jim

You have not yet replied to my earlier posting.

What was the street name where Endessa was supposed to be ripping out the cables.

We've got a property in Pago del Humo, we are not there a lot, and it is quite worrying when people post rumours without giving any details.

It is possible to name streets, the Chiclana Town hall website provide a very good A-Z of the area.
Sorry Flamingo,
The road mentioned is an unNamed road off camino santa maria de las canterlures
Is this near you ?
I could take a drive past your house if it puts your mind at rest, if so PM me directiones to where your home is

flamingo Sep 24th 2006 8:24 am
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Originally Posted by BIG JIM
Sorry Flamingo,
The road mentioned is an unNamed road off camino santa maria de las canterlures
Is this near you ?
I could take a drive past your house if it puts your mind at rest, if so PM me directiones to where your home is

Hi Big Jim

Thank you for the reply

However cannot find this road on the Chiclana A-Z, is it a new road

We live off Camino del Rodeo, thanks for the offer but we will be out there on thursday.

BIG JIM Sep 25th 2006 7:10 am
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Originally Posted by flamingo
Hi Big Jim

Thank you for the reply

However cannot find this road on the Chiclana A-Z, is it a new road

We live off Camino del Rodeo, thanks for the offer but we will be out there on thursday.
Hi
Don't think its a new road as loads of older style of houses down there,
wish you a safe flight thursday. :beer:

paddy07 Sep 27th 2006 6:17 am
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:scared: :scared:
Originally Posted by BIG JIM
Hi
Don't think its a new road as loads of older style of houses down there,
wish you a safe flight thursday. :beer:
Hi BIG JIM a friend of mine got cut of a long the main road into pago just as you enter pago near the small venta on the right are you any where near there :scared:


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