Does honesty pay?
Aug 29th 2011, 12:42 pm
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Re: Does honesty pay?
As you say, the working man has ben bled white for thousands of years by organised thugs.
WRTo Cameron.
When the expenses scandal hit, he and Brown both were very quick to pay back quite large sums of money that they presumably felt would have been seen as misappropriation of public funds by the rest of us.
A benefit thief who pays some of it back is still a benefit thief, and since MPs have been so fast to pin the label of 'benefit thief' on those who take state money which they are not entitled to, then when they do the same, I feel that they too should wear that label.
WRTo Cameron.
When the expenses scandal hit, he and Brown both were very quick to pay back quite large sums of money that they presumably felt would have been seen as misappropriation of public funds by the rest of us.
A benefit thief who pays some of it back is still a benefit thief, and since MPs have been so fast to pin the label of 'benefit thief' on those who take state money which they are not entitled to, then when they do the same, I feel that they too should wear that label.
presumably that includes the couple with 6 kids, brought up honestly, but with father "living" round the corner otherwise it would effect mum's benefits. (do u blame the people or the system?)
then there's the person on benefits who starts working but finds they cannot afford to give up the benefits because either they are too high or the wage is too low.
when a new mp takes on a property and it requires a thoro clean top to bottom that is a business expense, when the pool is part of the property then that should be included - especially when the mp is holding swimming parties for children of constituents.
mp who has a different registered property to that of their mp spouse ? No way, they should both have heads banged together and lose the money for a year.
we cannot bring our kids up in a smokey environment of theft, graft, kickbacks, hiding money from the taxman etc etc without expecting them to pick up on it and want to take part.
Aug 29th 2011, 12:49 pm
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Re: Does honesty pay?
sometimes it can be hard to define "benefit theft".
presumably that includes the couple with 6 kids, brought up honestly, but with father "living" round the corner otherwise it would effect mum's benefits. (do u blame the people or the system?)
then there's the person on benefits who starts working but finds they cannot afford to give up the benefits because either they are too high or the wage is too low.
when a new mp takes on a property and it requires a thoro clean top to bottom that is a business expense, when the pool is part of the property then that should be included - especially when the mp is holding swimming parties for children of constituents.
mp who has a different registered property to that of their mp spouse ? No way, they should both have heads banged together and lose the money for a year.
we cannot bring our kids up in a smokey environment of theft, graft, kickbacks, hiding money from the taxman etc etc without expecting them to pick up on it and want to take part.
presumably that includes the couple with 6 kids, brought up honestly, but with father "living" round the corner otherwise it would effect mum's benefits. (do u blame the people or the system?)
then there's the person on benefits who starts working but finds they cannot afford to give up the benefits because either they are too high or the wage is too low.
when a new mp takes on a property and it requires a thoro clean top to bottom that is a business expense, when the pool is part of the property then that should be included - especially when the mp is holding swimming parties for children of constituents.
mp who has a different registered property to that of their mp spouse ? No way, they should both have heads banged together and lose the money for a year.
we cannot bring our kids up in a smokey environment of theft, graft, kickbacks, hiding money from the taxman etc etc without expecting them to pick up on it and want to take part.
However, when we have a political party that defines any such misappropriation of public money as 'benefit theft' when it applies to the less well off, and then commit the same offence themselves, then they deserve all the abuse we can heap on them including that of gross hypocrisy.
Your last sentence sums my feelings up perfectly.
Aug 29th 2011, 1:29 pm
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Re: Does honesty pay?
I don't agree with benefit theft or MP's fiddles but I always stressed to my two kids that it matters not what others are doing you need to have your own standards.
Aug 29th 2011, 1:49 pm
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Re: Does honesty pay?
Absolutely right, and never more true than today. However, it is made a lot more difficult to enforce/explain when your child turns round and points out that everyone else does it.
Aug 29th 2011, 3:18 pm
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Re: Does honesty pay?
Of course I never said that I hadn't told una mentira piadosa at some time, however I can categorically say I have never lied on a CV, or encouraged my kids to. We obviously have different ideas on what is a "slight offence", looting and stealing is not trivial, and that's what we are discussing. If you think a telling off from Dad is sufficient punishment for looting and stealing, that tells me a lot about you. I'll leave you to play with the ex plod, kindred spirits.
Aug 30th 2011, 4:59 am
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Re: Does honesty pay?
Yes that would seem to be the case
Aug 30th 2011, 1:18 pm
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Re: Does honesty pay?
Does honesty pay? Of course it does, most of the time.
But there are times when it encourages Schadenfreude, the underclass, the vindictive, when you're feeding the trolls of this world. Luckily those are few in number and recognising them is easy.
Just a few sentences give them away, and often just one.
But there are times when it encourages Schadenfreude, the underclass, the vindictive, when you're feeding the trolls of this world. Luckily those are few in number and recognising them is easy.
Just a few sentences give them away, and often just one.
Aug 31st 2011, 6:48 am
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Re: Does honesty pay?
It is right to be honest whether it 'pays' or not.
However, we all tell what we call 'white lies'. We all do it, but it is still dishonesty.
Aug 31st 2011, 6:49 am
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Re: Does honesty pay?
Well if we're talking Italy - we have the best of the best of money grabbing bastards here. We even have an MP who changes the law to suit his money grabbing activities.
It doesn't surprise me as much as it used to do when so called "big" trade professionals ask me how much I want to pay on a fiscal and legal invoice, and how much I want to pay cash for a discount.
Even the kids' dentist asks me today if I want an invoice - so did the estate agent all of 10 years ago and so did the solicitor.... and the plumber etc.
It doesn't surprise me as much as it used to do when so called "big" trade professionals ask me how much I want to pay on a fiscal and legal invoice, and how much I want to pay cash for a discount.
Even the kids' dentist asks me today if I want an invoice - so did the estate agent all of 10 years ago and so did the solicitor.... and the plumber etc.
Aug 31st 2011, 7:03 am
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Re: Does honesty pay?
What would you do if your'flesh and blood' was Ian Brady or Ian Huntley or Dr Shipman?
(Brady, in fact, was 'shopped' by a family member).
(Brady, in fact, was 'shopped' by a family member).
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Aug 31st 2011, 7:07 am
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Aug 31st 2011, 9:38 am
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Re: Does honesty pay?
I was trying to make the point that the lines between honesty and dishonesty are being blurred by the very people who are supposed to be setting a good example.
Does that help?
Aug 31st 2011, 10:16 am
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Re: Does honesty pay?
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Aug 31st 2011, 12:32 pm
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Re: Does honesty pay?
This was meant ironically. MPs who do this are IMO thieves. If you pick up a euro coin you find in the road and keep it you are a thief. Technically, I agree, technically, but it's like being technically pregnant.
I was trying to make the point that the lines between honesty and dishonesty are being blurred by the very people who are supposed to be setting a good example.
Does that help?
I was trying to make the point that the lines between honesty and dishonesty are being blurred by the very people who are supposed to be setting a good example.
Does that help?
Yes. You have remembered that I don't 'get' irony.
Aug 31st 2011, 1:00 pm
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Re: Does honesty pay?
How about 'coppery ' or 'Tinny' ??
We all draw a line where honesty starts and ends. If I found a 50 Euro note on the ground, then I would see it as mine.
(Obviously, if I saw someone drop it, that's a different matter.)
We all draw a line where honesty starts and ends. If I found a 50 Euro note on the ground, then I would see it as mine.
(Obviously, if I saw someone drop it, that's a different matter.)