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Do you need Loads of Money in Spain !?!
OK, so us Expat' Brits are dead rich... coming over here and buying fancy expensive villas and seaside apartments, lazing 'round sipping G&Ts and scoffing Tapas. Luxury Eh !!!!
Well I just read on Costa Blanca New's Website that the average Spanish annual income per person is about 8,500€s. Could you manage on that ??? It sounds doable to me unless you have expensive hobbies! Other facts on this website are that about 20% of Spaniards are on the poverty line; 21% have a second home and unemployed immigrants have increased by 30% last year!! |
Re: Do you need Loads of Money in Spain !?!
8.500€----easily doubled or tripled with black money!! How many farmers do you see in beat up vans or clapped out tractors, then on a weekend the biggest poshest car you ever see?
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Re: Do you need Loads of Money in Spain !?!
Originally Posted by Bri and Katee
(Post 5720051)
8.500€----easily doubled or tripled with black money!! How many farmers do you see in beat up vans or clapped out tractors, then on a weekend the biggest poshest car you ever see?
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Re: Do you need Loads of Money in Spain !?!
Originally Posted by Bri and Katee
(Post 5720051)
8.500€----easily doubled or tripled with black money!! How many farmers do you see in beat up vans or clapped out tractors, then on a weekend the biggest poshest car you ever see?
He does have other cars in his 'collection', however, including an Aston Martin DB9 in British Racing Green! :eek: |
Re: Do you need Loads of Money in Spain !?!
:rofl::rofl: And here was me thinking that it was only a phenomenon to be found in the Alguena area;)
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Re: Do you need Loads of Money in Spain !?!
Originally Posted by GrapeEater
(Post 5720007)
OK, so us Expat' Brits are dead rich... coming over here and buying fancy expensive villas and seaside apartments, lazing 'round sipping G&Ts and scoffing Tapas. Luxury Eh !!!!
Well I just read on Costa Blanca New's Website that the average Spanish annual income per person is about 8,500€s. Could you manage on that ??? It sounds doable to me unless you have expensive hobbies! Other facts on this website are that about 20% of Spaniards are on the poverty line; 21% have a second home and unemployed immigrants have increased by 30% last year!! Erm... Cleaners get approx 9 euro an hour, Office worker circa 5 euro! I am not that proficient with a mop! :thumbdown: |
Re: Do you need Loads of Money in Spain !?!
Originally Posted by GrapeEater
(Post 5720007)
OK, so us Expat' Brits are dead rich... coming over here and buying fancy expensive villas and seaside apartments, lazing 'round sipping G&Ts and scoffing Tapas. Luxury Eh !!!!
Well I just read on Costa Blanca New's Website that the average Spanish annual income per person is about 8,500€s. Could you manage on that ??? It sounds doable to me unless you have expensive hobbies! Other facts on this website are that about 20% of Spaniards are on the poverty line; 21% have a second home and unemployed immigrants have increased by 30% last year!! |
Re: Do you need Loads of Money in Spain !?!
Originally Posted by sunnydee
(Post 5720766)
I'm not sure I understand the 'per person' bit - and is that gross? I'm earning about €25,000 gross and thats sort off ok for a family of 4 but certainly no luxuries.
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Re: Do you need Loads of Money in Spain !?!
Originally Posted by genegenie
(Post 5720118)
That sounds like the farmers where i live in the UK. ;)
Originally Posted by twyntub
(Post 5720289)
You are so right! We have a neighbour near us who drives a beaten up 400 year old looking 300E Mercedes during the week, and wears clothes that you'd think he was completely penniless.
He does have other cars in his 'collection', however, including an Aston Martin DB9 in British Racing Green! :eek:
Originally Posted by Bri and Katee
(Post 5720051)
8.500€----easily doubled or tripled with black money!! How many farmers do you see in beat up vans or clapped out tractors, then on a weekend the biggest poshest car you ever see?
Give me a break! Most farmers have cars on the never never, and have overdrafts that would shock the richest of you. |
Re: Do you need Loads of Money in Spain !?!
Oh yes I certaintly need a good mop at times - especially for sick and wee - don't ask! :rofl:
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Re: Do you need Loads of Money in Spain !?!
Originally Posted by GrapeEater
(Post 5720007)
... that the average Spanish annual income per person is about 8,500€s. ... Other facts on this website are that about 20% of Spaniards are on the poverty line; 21% have a second home and unemployed immigrants have increased by 30% last year!!
When these people say the average spanish hourly pay in 2004 is $17 (yes, dollars - FIIK why, call it 12 Euros) and this lot say that the average wage in Madrid is 69% higher than in Murcia, where does that leave you? Plus people like this who say that "poverty" in the UK involves things like not being able to save £10 per week, or not having a roast joint once a week you have to wonder what they're really talking about. Since it's the end of the year and therefore a natural time to take stock, how about looking back over your bank and card statements for the year and working out how much you actually spent in 2007, maybe the forum organisers could put up a poll? |
Re: Do you need Loads of Money in Spain !?!
Originally Posted by pete_l
(Post 5722549)
Ahh, don't you just love statistics - used properly they can "prove" anything.
When these people say the average spanish hourly pay in 2004 is $17 (yes, dollars - FIIK why, call it 12 Euros) and this lot say that the average wage in Madrid is 69% higher than in Murcia, where does that leave you? Plus people like this who say that "poverty" in the UK involves things like not being able to save £10 per week, or not having a roast joint once a week you have to wonder what they're really talking about. Since it's the end of the year and therefore a natural time to take stock, how about looking back over your bank and card statements for the year and working out how much you actually spent in 2007, maybe the forum organisers could put up a poll? |
Re: Do you need Loads of Money in Spain !?!
Originally Posted by GrapeEater
(Post 5720007)
unemployed immigrants have increased by 30% last year!!
Oh for the UK to have such low figures. As for jdr suggesting we have another pole ! ! :D |
Re: Do you need Loads of Money in Spain !?!
Originally Posted by TheArmChairDetective
(Post 5722992)
Oh for the UK to have such low figures.
As for jdr suggesting we have another pole ! ! :D |
Re: Do you need Loads of Money in Spain !?!
Originally Posted by Bri and Katee
(Post 5720051)
8.500€----easily doubled or tripled with black money!! How many farmers do you see in beat up vans or clapped out tractors, then on a weekend the biggest poshest car you ever see?
Spanish in there nature and culture always give an outward appearance of wealth. It`s there liquid assets that set the well off from the show off`s. |
Re: Do you need Loads of Money in Spain !?!
Originally Posted by John & Kath
(Post 5723003)
jdr was careful to spell poll
So was I:D |
Re: Do you need Loads of Money in Spain !?!
Originally Posted by TheArmChairDetective
(Post 5723119)
So was I:D
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Re: Do you need Loads of Money in Spain !?!
Originally Posted by rugbymatt
(Post 5720937)
Yeah, absolutely, I know loads of farmers who just rake it in......................I mean one guy I know has a 15 year old landy works 7 days a week and earns £10,000 a year before tax!!
Give me a break! Most farmers have cars on the never never, and have overdrafts that would shock the richest of you. |
Re: Do you need Loads of Money in Spain !?!
Originally Posted by twyntub
(Post 5723731)
This particular farmer I'm thinking of has one asset that your unlucky farmer friends don't - the regional football team! :blink:
I am a sheep breeder, I breed them for meat, and trust me, to make any money I would need over 500 sheep. It costs £40 to get a lamb to the point of slaughter, and I get, at an absolutely top level £55 for it, that's £15 profit a lamb, for 18 months care, the same farmer I mentioned gets £40 for a bullock for 22 months work. Not much really is it? |
Re: Do you need Loads of Money in Spain !?!
Originally Posted by rugbymatt
(Post 5723743)
So he isnt really a farmer, he is a landowner who has a farming practice on it or he contracts out the farming.
I am a sheep breeder, I breed them for meat, and trust me, to make any money I would need over 500 sheep. It costs £40 to get a lamb to the point of slaughter, and I get, at an absolutely top level £55 for it, that's £15 profit a lamb, for 18 months care, the same farmer I mentioned gets £40 for a bullock for 22 months work. Not much really is it? |
Re: Do you need Loads of Money in Spain !?!
Originally Posted by Jorgi
(Post 5723770)
You are doing well at £55. I kept 400 ewes when I farmed in France. Over my last 5 years I averaged £51. As you know its bl**dy hard work.
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Re: Do you need Loads of Money in Spain !?!
Originally Posted by rugbymatt
(Post 5723743)
So he isnt really a farmer, he is a landowner who has a farming practice on it or he contracts out the farming.
I am a sheep breeder, I breed them for meat, and trust me, to make any money I would need over 500 sheep. It costs £40 to get a lamb to the point of slaughter, and I get, at an absolutely top level £55 for it, that's £15 profit a lamb, for 18 months care, the same farmer I mentioned gets £40 for a bullock for 22 months work. Not much really is it? My father used to work for the wool marketing board and supplied vets and farmers with supplies across most of the home counties for about 40 years. Amongst the hard working farmers, there were always plenty of rich landowners out there... |
Re: Do you need Loads of Money in Spain !?!
Originally Posted by twyntub
(Post 5723795)
Well, we moved to Spain from Cheshire - 4 years renting a cottage on a working sheep farm, so believe me when I say I know!
My father used to work for the wool marketing board and supplied vets and farmers with supplies across most of the home counties for about 40 years. Amongst the hard working farmers, there were always plenty of rich landowners out there... £2.50, and it costs me £2 to have it shawn because I have under 250 sheep. Now that's profit! |
Re: Do you need Loads of Money in Spain !?!
In Spain the average labourer will take home, not earn but take home aound €12,000 per year. However only about €8,000 of that is declared by the employers.
I know of several Brits that worked out they could afford to live in Spain on the average annual salary of €8,500. This figure of course just isn't realistic so thinking that you can live on that money is going to leave you short. Now on €1,000 per month you should be able to just get by, so long as you don't expect any luxuries. |
Re: Do you need Loads of Money in Spain !?!
Originally Posted by rugbymatt
(Post 5723821)
Do you know how much I get for a fleece?
£2.50, and it costs me £2 to have it shawn because I have under 250 sheep. Now that's profit! |
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