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steviedeluxe Jul 1st 2009 7:05 am

Do you keep to British punctuality in Spain?
 
Or have you taken a more lax attitude to time keeping since you went to Spain?

lynnxa Jul 1st 2009 7:08 am

Re: Do you keep to British punctuality in Spain?
 

Originally Posted by steviedeluxe (Post 7715881)
Or have you taken a more lax attitude to time keeping since you went to Spain?

I'm still as punctual as ever


I just don't expect them to be!

some of my students have learned the hard way though that I won't keep the next student waiting just because they turned up half an hour late!!

scampicat Jul 1st 2009 7:09 am

Re: Do you keep to British punctuality in Spain?
 
Yes and also expect it of other Brits, don't expect it of Spanish but still get irritated by unpunctuality.

Mitzyboy Jul 1st 2009 7:18 am

Re: Do you keep to British punctuality in Spain?
 
Yes, totally.
In the UK I always took the view it was incredibly rude to be late, and I carry that over here. I dont judge Spaniards by the same standard though as I accept their culture in that respect.

jjh Jul 1st 2009 7:28 am

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Originally Posted by Mitzyboy (Post 7715911)
Yes, totally.
In the UK I always took the view it was incredibly rude to be late, and I carry that over here. I dont judge Spaniards by the same standard though as I accept their culture in that respect.

What Mitzyboy said.

bil Jul 1st 2009 7:34 am

Re: Do you keep to British punctuality in Spain?
 
I find most of the Spaniards I know to be frighteningly punctual.

So far (touch wood) I have found Spanish beaurocracy to be swift, efficient and almost completely queue free. :confused:

HBG Jul 1st 2009 8:41 am

Re: Do you keep to British punctuality in Spain?
 

Originally Posted by bil (Post 7715950)
I find most of the Spaniards I know to be frighteningly punctual.

So far (touch wood) I have found Spanish beaurocracy to be swift, efficient and almost completely queue free. :confused:

I've found exactly the opposite, but it doesn't bother me. I've joined in the game. Manana? Por la manana? (I hope the tilde man doesn't read this).

It's far better than English punctuality, and it's far too hot for that anyway. The whole country (Spain) shuts down between two and four in the afternoon, which is most sensible when the temperature, in the shade, bounces around 40 degrees.

whitelinen Jul 1st 2009 10:06 am

Re: Do you keep to British punctuality in Spain?
 

Originally Posted by steviedeluxe (Post 7715881)
Or have you taken a more lax attitude to time keeping since you went to Spain?


Time or planes wait for no man (or woman).

Not sure what you mean exactly:)

I am always on time for an appointment wherever I am but I am not a clock watcher if thats what you mean.

Bigger Jim Jul 1st 2009 7:02 pm

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Originally Posted by HBG (Post 7716078)
The whole country (Spain) shuts down between two and four in the afternoon, which is most sensible when the temperature, in the shade, bounces around 40 degrees.

Thought this was a thing of the past, except for rural areas, and that big business in Spain had now fallen in line with the rest of the continent? Lets face it even Correos is now open all day.

Jim

pete_l Jul 1st 2009 7:04 pm

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Originally Posted by bil (Post 7715950)
I find most of the Spaniards I know to be frighteningly punctual.

So far (touch wood) I have found Spanish beaurocracy to be swift, efficient and almost completely queue free. :confused:

Indeed. One time, when my water supply had been cut off, the local Fontanero said he'd be round aty 11:00 th enext working day to fix it. He wasn't - he arrived at 10:55 (typical!). On another occasion, my local builders said they'd deliver a load of gravel "in the morning". I was woken up at 8:00 :eek: by this 'king huge lorry honking it's horn, to find out where I wanted it all tipped.

fionamw Jul 1st 2009 7:05 pm

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Originally Posted by whitelinen (Post 7716246)
Time or planes wait for no man (or woman).

Not sure what you mean exactly:)

I am always on time for an appointment wherever I am but I am not a clock watcher if thats what you mean.


I think what he means may be what happened to me yestereday - had a 9.30 in Malaga ref. residencia, nightmare parking so I was going to be at least 5 minutes late. In the UK I would already have been texting/phoning the abogado's office just out of courtesy. Here I simply concentrated on getting parked, getting a taxi & getting there, having this feeling I might not need to worry unduly.
Guess what - I was there let's say 9.37ish. She turned up after me, and (not that I needed it, either in Spain or UK) no word of apology. It's just a different way of looking at timekeeping.


Correos isn't open all day here..... only open half day at the best of times!

steviedeluxe Jul 1st 2009 7:15 pm

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Originally Posted by Bigger Jim (Post 7717224)
Thought this was a thing of the past, except for rural areas, and that big business in Spain had now fallen in line with the rest of the continent? Lets face it even Correos is now open all day.

Jim

Even in the capital many shops and businesses will close from 2.30 to 4.30 or 5pm. The upside of this is most shops are still open at 9pm on a Tuesday night. Also many businesses in Madrid have a different timetable in the hot summer months - staff will start earlier but finish at around 2.30.

Pavlo Jul 1st 2009 7:17 pm

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Originally Posted by bil (Post 7715950)
I find most of the Spaniards I know to be frighteningly punctual.

So far (touch wood) I have found Spanish beaurocracy to be swift, efficient and almost completely queue free. :confused:

Errrrrrm..........

raddickle Jul 1st 2009 7:20 pm

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I wish I could but I just can't used to the times that the Spanish do things. I find it really hard to get into eating at 22.00. And fireworks at 01.00 in the morning....

They say that the only 2 things the Spanish do on time are fireworks displays and bullfights. Well I know the former certainly aint true.

Sharon B Jul 1st 2009 8:32 pm

Re: Do you keep to British punctuality in Spain?
 

Originally Posted by bil (Post 7715950)
I find most of the Spaniards I know to be frighteningly punctual.

So far (touch wood) I have found Spanish beaurocracy to be swift, efficient and almost completely queue free. :confused:

You don't really live in Spain do you?!!:D

Sharon B Jul 1st 2009 8:36 pm

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Originally Posted by Bigger Jim (Post 7717224)
Thought this was a thing of the past, except for rural areas, and that big business in Spain had now fallen in line with the rest of the continent? Lets face it even Correos is now open all day.

Jim

No, the siesta is well and truly firmly set here in Ayamonte as well. And half days for the Correos until September.

Fredbargate Jul 2nd 2009 3:34 am

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I have no problem with Siestas, I enjoy them.

However if someone makes an appointment I give them an extra 5 minutes and then unless it is going to be a great benefit to me, I'm off.

However I find that expats are worse time keepers than locals.

fionamw Jul 2nd 2009 3:40 am

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Originally Posted by Fredbargate (Post 7717418)
I have no problem with Siestas, I enjoy them.

However if someone makes an appointment I give them an extra 5 minutes and then unless it is going to be a great benefit to me, I'm off.

However I find that expats are worse time keepers than locals.


Good god! Really? I would struggle to name an event in our village that has started within half an hour of its appointed time - it can't be a coincidence that the poster for events over the recent San Juan weekend didn't even have times on! There'd be a lot of disappointed kids if we b****red off after five minutes waiting for the fancy dress last weekend. Finally got under way about an hour late.
Yes Brit workmen sometimes turn up late, but then so sometimes do Spanish workmen. That's workmen!

jjh Jul 2nd 2009 7:47 pm

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Originally Posted by Sharon B (Post 7717400)
No, the siesta is well and truly firmly set here in Ayamonte as well. And half days for the Correos until September.

Same here, only open in the mornings now until September.

steviedeluxe Jul 2nd 2009 8:40 pm

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Originally Posted by fionamw (Post 7717433)
Good god! Really? I would struggle to name an event in our village that has started within half an hour of its appointed time - it can't be a coincidence that the poster for events over the recent San Juan weekend didn't even have times on! There'd be a lot of disappointed kids if we b****red off after five minutes waiting for the fancy dress last weekend. Finally got under way about an hour late.
Yes Brit workmen sometimes turn up late, but then so sometimes do Spanish workmen. That's workmen!

Warning - if you go to the cinema, don't turn up late. In contrast to the UK where there's normally 20 minutes of commercials prior to the film actually starting, in Spain the film will start promptly (well that's been my experience in both Madrid and Valencia).

Hondon Voyager Jul 2nd 2009 8:59 pm

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Originally Posted by fionamw (Post 7717433)
Good god! Really? I would struggle to name an event in our village that has started within half an hour of its appointed time - it can't be a coincidence that the poster for events over the recent San Juan weekend didn't even have times on! There'd be a lot of disappointed kids if we b****red off after five minutes waiting for the fancy dress last weekend. Finally got under way about an hour late.
Yes Brit workmen sometimes turn up late, but then so sometimes do Spanish workmen. That's workmen!

:rofl: I had a slightly leaky tap fitting in my kitchen ,called plumber ,he arrived 3 months later ,no apology nothin"here to replace tap" ,good job I were not in a hurry tbh we did not hassle him but I thought it was hilarious ,other times he has been there within minutes :D

lynnxa Jul 2nd 2009 9:51 pm

Re: Do you keep to British punctuality in Spain?
 

Originally Posted by steviedeluxe (Post 7719486)
Warning - if you go to the cinema, don't turn up late. In contrast to the UK where there's normally 20 minutes of commercials prior to the film actually starting, in Spain the film will start promptly (well that's been my experience in both Madrid and Valencia).

then if it's a long film you'll get an intermission exactly half way through

sometimes even mid-sentence!

Fredbargate Jul 2nd 2009 10:12 pm

Re: Do you keep to British punctuality in Spain?
 

Originally Posted by Sharon B (Post 7717400)
No, the siesta is well and truly firmly set here in Ayamonte as well. And half days for the Correos until September.

Try Gibraltar, all Government offices ( except essential services ) and many businesses close at lunch time ( not for a siesta ) through the summer.

michaleen oge Jul 2nd 2009 10:50 pm

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we do all our shopping in our little village,the shops appreciate it and we meet the locals every day. one thing,the queueing is a shambles. only this morning in our local shop my missus was patiently queueing up and another queue started to the right of the till,being good-natured she allowed two people to push in then dug her heels in. the third woman(and the worst offenders are always older,spanish women) plonked her shopping ahead of my wifes. so the missus just moved her shopping to the front again. maria,the owner of the shop,looked a bit sheepish at what was happening but didn't want to offend the spanish customers at the expense of the english. wise woman. my missus got served but survived the glares of the spanish woman. damned english again, ruining the towns and villages. wish they would go home and take their money with them.(i don't mean the bit about the money). ole.

mikelincs Jul 2nd 2009 11:19 pm

Re: Do you keep to British punctuality in Spain?
 

Originally Posted by Bigger Jim (Post 7717224)
Thought this was a thing of the past, except for rural areas, and that big business in Spain had now fallen in line with the rest of the continent? Lets face it even Correos is now open all day.

Jim

Benidorm, just about 10 mins from here, everything open all day, here in Albir, the majority of the places shut for siesta. Correos open 'all day' BUT that means one opening period till 3 pm.

savateur Jul 3rd 2009 5:23 am

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Originally Posted by HBG (Post 7716078)
I've found exactly the opposite, but it doesn't bother me. I've joined in the game. Manana? Por la manana? (I hope the tilde man doesn't read this).

It's far better than English punctuality, and it's far too hot for that anyway. The whole country (Spain) shuts down between two and four in the afternoon, which is most sensible when the temperature, in the shade, bounces around 40 degrees.

I found the entire country (UK) broke down in the recent heatwave, including the "punctual" train service :lol:

What's a tilde, is it that little squiggle above the n, isnt it acceptable to use a y as well ?

fionamw Jul 3rd 2009 9:48 am

Re: Do you keep to British punctuality in Spain?
 

Originally Posted by savateur (Post 7720978)
I found the entire country (UK) broke down in the recent heatwave, including the "punctual" train service :lol:

What's a tilde, is it that little squiggle above the n, isnt it acceptable to use a y as well ?


How would that work, then? Ennyay? Is that what you mean? I always thought, and little'un's schooling reinforces it, that the n with the squiggle (which my keyboard flatly refuses to co-operate on) is itself called the enyay - a separate letter in the Abecedario Espanol..... Methinks Lynnxa will put us right in due course..... ;)

jdr Jul 3rd 2009 10:00 am

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Originally Posted by fionamw (Post 7721592)
How would that work, then? Ennyay? Is that what you mean? I always thought, and little'un's schooling reinforces it, that the n with the squiggle (which my keyboard flatly refuses to co-operate on) is itself called the enyay - a separate letter in the Abecedario Espanol..... Methinks Lynnxa will put us right in due course..... ;)

Correct, and for bonus what is this ¿

fionamw Jul 3rd 2009 10:09 am

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Originally Posted by jdr (Post 7721629)
Correct, and for bonus what is this ¿


I think you should have started the question with it, hombre..... or not?

jdr Jul 3rd 2009 10:13 am

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Originally Posted by fionamw (Post 7721651)
I think you should have started the question with it, hombre..... or not?

Correct again. ;-))

fionamw Jul 3rd 2009 10:32 am

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Originally Posted by jdr (Post 7721668)
Correct again. ;-))


Woo hoo.... go me, go me..... having spent an interesting half hour on the bus home from Malaga this evening, talking to a Spanish Spanish lecturer from uni in UK, plus this, I'm feeling less cr*p at lengua than I thought I was!! easily please, me....

jdr Jul 3rd 2009 10:42 am

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Originally Posted by fionamw (Post 7721717)
Woo hoo.... go me, go me..... having spent an interesting half hour on the bus home from Malaga this evening, talking to a Spanish Spanish lecturer from uni in UK, plus this, I'm feeling less cr*p at lengua than I thought I was!! easily please, me....

It`s amazing what you do know when you try, the Spanish are the same, yes I know a little English and they speak it as good as us.

fionamw Jul 3rd 2009 10:50 am

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Originally Posted by jdr (Post 7721746)
It`s amazing what you do know when you try, the Spanish are the same, yes I know a little English and they speak it as good as us.

I was going to go total pedant and say 'as well as we....' until I noticed my own typo in the last post. Easily corrected, me...!!!! Night night! I blame the sun!!

Hondon Voyager Jul 3rd 2009 12:59 pm

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Originally Posted by fionamw (Post 7721651)
I think you should have started the question with it, hombre..... or not?

:) Good reply:thumbup:

lynnxa Jul 3rd 2009 8:27 pm

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Originally Posted by fionamw (Post 7721592)
How would that work, then? Ennyay? Is that what you mean? I always thought, and little'un's schooling reinforces it, that the n with the squiggle (which my keyboard flatly refuses to co-operate on) is itself called the enyay - a separate letter in the Abecedario Espanol..... Methinks Lynnxa will put us right in due course..... ;)


Originally Posted by jdr (Post 7721629)
Correct, and for bonus what is this ¿

the 'squiggle' might technically be a tilde (if you look up th definition of tilde)

but you are right Fi - the ñ is a completely separate letter in the abecedario


they put the ¿ at the beginning of the sentence and the ? at the end so you don't miss it!

don't forget that you can make a statement and ask a question using exactly the same words?

called signos de interrogation

mikelincs Jul 3rd 2009 9:02 pm

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Originally Posted by lynnxa (Post 7722657)
the 'squiggle' might technically be a tilde (if you look up th definition of tilde)

but you are right Fi - the ñ is a completely separate letter in the abecedario


they put the ¿ at the beginning of the sentence and the ? at the end so you don't miss it!

don't forget that you can make a statement and ask a question using exactly the same words?

called signos de interrogation

In speaking, the difference between a question and statement using the same words is intonation, something that AFAIK, is the same in any western lqnguage.

Fortaleza Jul 3rd 2009 9:09 pm

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Originally Posted by mikelincs (Post 7722740)
In speaking, the difference between a question and statement using the same words is intonation, something that AFAIK, is the same in any western lqnguage.

In speech, maybe.

However if you are to read it, English has its own 'version' of the ¿.......

By switching the subject and auxiliary verb, you get to see how an interrogative is formed.

You can play football. (affirmative)
Can you play football? (interrogative)

Anyway, isn't this thread now hijacked?

lynnxa Jul 3rd 2009 10:21 pm

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Originally Posted by mikelincs (Post 7722740)
In speaking, the difference between a question and statement using the same words is intonation, something that AFAIK, is the same in any western lqnguage.

exactly - which is why they put the ¿ at the beginning when writing - helps a reader get the intonation right if reading aloud

es tu hija - she's your daughter

¿es tu hija? - is she your daughter?

lynnxa Jul 3rd 2009 10:22 pm

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Originally Posted by Fortaleza (Post 7722752)
In speech, maybe.

However if you are to read it, English has its own 'version' of the ¿.......

By switching the subject and auxiliary verb, you get to see how an interrogative is formed.

You can play football. (affirmative)
Can you play football? (interrogative)

Anyway, isn't this thread now hijacked?


oops!


thing is, as you know, they don't switch anything around in spanish

marisol Jul 3rd 2009 10:46 pm

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All the words in Spanish have "entonación" but just some of them have "tilde". This tilde es el "acento" and it can change completely the meaning of a sentence. For instance:

el envío - you are talking about the delivery
él envió - you are saying that he sent something

So, these two sentences, even they are very similar have a different meaning.

About the "signos de interrogación" As you all know, you must put ¿ in the beginning? at the end, but, lately, people just write the last one (due to the mails and messages in mobile phones each time we write worst and dont write what we should do just for making it easy)


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