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He's a bit dodgy though. Very shady political past.

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surely no more than some of his age/era - he's not too many years older than me, no I havent been in prison, I only joined a union about 5 years ago due to company pension shenanigans to find that Unison was more than useless and resigned. They were just not interested.

IMHO the demise of unions wasnt, as some say, due to Maggie, but due to their own selfcentred couldnt care less attitude. They had no way of supporting those who had been with them for decades who lost their jobs (due to union incompetance), just cast them off, not even allowing many to use the union social clubs as they were no longer members.

and I say that as someone who was brought up from birth to know the unions were there for the working man.

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I'm no lover of the unions - but I was actually referring to his membership of the National Front.

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I read some more about the Leveson enquiry yesterday and this morning, where the top police officers of the past 20 years, who are now mostly Lords, gave more evidence. They were like little children caught eating sweets in the playground, all blaming each other and the shadowy figure supplying the free sweets, the Murdoch organisation.

Our top politicians were no better, they allowed all this to happen because the Murdoch organisation won their elections for them.

'Would the last person to leave the UK please turn off the lights.' That was the headline in the Sun when they got rid of Kinnock.

Sneaky Blair knew that when he crawled up Murdoch's arse and it got him into power for ten years. Cameron did the same.

Does anyone care?

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well according to the oracle
"Earlier in his life, Tomlinson was a member of the far right National Front. He now regrets this association.[8]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricky_Tomlinson

others who went on to become well known in one field or another flirted with such organisations, as their predecessors did decades before, signing up for fascist/nazi organisations at university.
actor Sam Wannamaker joined the communists but resigned after the war, but he was still targetted by McCarthy.

He came to the UK and rebuilt Shakespeare's Globe.

Youthful actions can come to bite on the bum sometimes

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You have to wonder why they would hold an enquiry into something and then totally ignore its recommendations. An example is the 'Parliamentary Science and Technology Committee - Evidence Check Homeopathy' enquiry which concluded

Many people were called including Paul Bennett, Professional Standards Director, Boots who said there was no evidence at all that Homeopathy works - we only sell it because people want to buy it.

Parliament completely ignored the result of the enquiry and the NHS still funds homeopathic 'treatment'.

Why bother holding it?:confused:

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surely the fact that some people feel better on homeopathic is some form of evidence ??
also they not cluttering up A&E and wards and using medicines, paying instead for their own choice.
personally I am not a believer but I do believe the individual has the right to medicate as they see fit and that many of them feel better afterwards is surely some form of evidence. But then only those who have all the letters of the alphabet after their name can be right.

Boots sell everything for profit - a commercial inevitability. But as they provide less shelf space for Mens products than they do for sandwiches or for nappies they are still missing 50% of the population.

Public Enquiries are IMHO a waste of time and money that would be better spent elsewhere. They extend the period of closure for grieving relatives and never resolve the problem in the long term as it is always looked on as a "lesson learnt".

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Well it would be off-topic to discuss the idiocy that is homeopathy here. The point I'm making is why hold an enquiry if you're going to totally ignore the conclusion?

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well we had Maxwell before Murdoch and didnt see the warning signs, there were the Press Lords of the 1930's preceding them.

the biggest problem I have with all this is the effect on the loyal PC at the front line all the time.
how can they enforce the law knowing the guys at the top are slippery eels who feed from the same press hands whilst telling us there is nothing wrong happening.

IMHO all should be investigated for corruption - because thats what it is - where do they think the UK is, another Spain ?

The next you know you friendly local traffic cop will be willing to drop the charges for a quick £50.

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locally we have a thriving alternative chemist and it always has people going in. perhaps they are just the local hash distributor?

the point I am making is that enquiry's are there to salve the conscience of people who actually cocked up. Take the Baby P enquiry..... what good did it do when it was repeated a couple of years later. The same people run around wringing hands saying a lesson has been learnt. Lessons should not be learnt from the death of a single person. Those responsible should be dismissed, but even the Director has received compensation because the manner of her dismissal was unlawful. Such people should never ever get a job in Social Services, all they do is give it a bad name

But no one is legally required to put things right. Things were only sorted out at Potters Bar because they had to keep the trains running. The company concerned eventually got the boot but the people concerned are AFAIK all still employed in Rail, where they have "great experience"

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does such a creature exist? Any I ever met, had the opinion that "if it's breathing and driving at the same time, it must breaking some law":blink:

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obviously I need training in irony instead of ironing
or you do
;)

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Rebekah Brooks and her husband Charlie were arrested by police at their country estate at Chipping Norton, during a 6am raid this morning, for conspiracy to pervert the course of justice.

The Brooks' are close friends of their neighbour at Chipping Norton, David Cameron.

This one could bring the pains on - who else could Brooks conspire with, if not her employer, Murdoch? Such a conspiracy would also have to involve Andy Coulson, and who did he work for? (As well as Murdoch).

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I may be a bit out of line here but does the phrase "innocent, until proven guilty" mean anything?

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surely thats only because the police have been proven to have put any files they had either in the bin or at the bottom of the pile for filing.

executive deniability cannot sit on the same shoulder as executive responsibility

however, I am sure some of us at least have found out things about friends, colleagues - even relatives - down the line that have made us wonder WTF did we miss !!

You cannot swim in the same pool as murderers, thieves, rapists etc without getting wet from the same water.