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Domino Mar 1st 2012 10:06 pm

Re: Do we need public enquiries?
 

Originally Posted by jackytoo (Post 9931285)
Brown is rumoured to be gay but hasn't come out. Haig has never come out and we know he is....Same as the Beckhams, selling themselves as a happy family brand product for millions when he had a side interest. They deserve to be exposed. They play the media and earn millions from it or high office but they only want printed what their PR puts out.:thumbdown:


so they are like everyone else after all, thought for a moment you were looking for some saints - they went out donkeys years ago

wasnt there a rumour that Sister Theresa was under investigation for tax fraud ?

Did Nelson say "Kiss Me Hardy" or was it "Kismet Hardy" ??

HBG Mar 2nd 2012 3:56 am

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Flogging a dead horse?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...on-horse-funny

jackytoo Mar 2nd 2012 4:07 am

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Of course the Guardian, Daily mail, Telegraph etc. would never stoop to hacking phones and getting friendly with the Met......would they:rofl:

HBG Mar 2nd 2012 7:37 am

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Could it be that us expats living far away from our home country expect more? Unrealistically?

I have a few Spanish friends, and the 'few' worries me after many years in Spain, but when we have deeper conversations I always rely on pointing out something about British honesty.

They've always laughed at me when I've said that, and I must admit I got angry at times. After what I've just read about the Leveson enquiry, I'm not going to get angry any more.

Hypocrisy in high places? They're all at it and nobody cares, me included.

(I must agree with Jacky about William Hague. Whenever I see his face on my TV I want to smash it).

johnnyone Mar 2nd 2012 8:30 pm

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Originally Posted by HBG (Post 9931837)

Is it me or is the link between Cameron, the MET and News International beginning to look a bit too cosy?

HBG Mar 2nd 2012 9:52 pm

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Originally Posted by johnnyone (Post 9933105)
Is it me or is the link between Cameron, the MET and News International beginning to look a bit too cosy?

Rupert Murdoch owns all three of them already.

jackytoo Mar 2nd 2012 10:17 pm

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Brown and his wife were cosy with Murdoch too. Bottom line though what difference does it make to the average person:confused: Some politicians cosy up to other newspaper owners. Reporters have always paid for info etc. The Leveson enquiry is beginning to sound like a witch-hunt against the media, probably revenge for the MP's expenses. Who would gain most from more privacy and press censorship....not the general public!

HBG Mar 3rd 2012 8:39 am

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The general public can't be trusted, their views are controlled by a higher power, Murdoch. That man with his silly wife and silly son have ruled the UK for many years. He's been in out of Downing street like a yo yo, he said so himself.

It doesn't matter if it was Thatcher, Blair or Cameron, they were all in debt to the ogre.

It could have been worse, Maxwell, the bouncing cheque at the Mirror nearly got there before Murdoch, and the pornographer at the Express is still trying.

But we're all right. Prince Harry is in Belize, along with our tax dodgers from the UK.

It's a wicked world.

steviedeluxe Mar 3rd 2012 8:25 pm

Re: Do we need public enquiries?
 
Police linked to blacklist of construction workers



The police or security services supplied information to a blacklist funded by the country's major construction firms that has kept thousands of people out of work over the past three decades.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...?newsfeed=true

I always thought the claim "we need foreign workers to do the jobs the Brits don't want to do" was very dubious, especially in the construction industry where wages were decent. Seems we were denying work to British workers all along. :thumbdown:

Lynn R Mar 3rd 2012 9:05 pm

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Originally Posted by steviedeluxe (Post 9934635)
Police linked to blacklist of construction workers




http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...?newsfeed=true

I always thought the claim "we need foreign workers to do the jobs the Brits don't want to do" was very dubious, especially in the construction industry where wages were decent. Seems we were denying work to British workers all along. :thumbdown:

This has been known about for many years - the predecessor organisation, the Economic League, operated in exactly the same way and kept it's records on card indexes in order to escape Data Protection legislation when that first came into force. The actor Ricky Tomlinson was one of their victims when he supported the Liverpool dockers' strike and never worked again in the construction industry as a result. Special Branch officers were routinely seen photographing people on demonstrations, including me I have no doubt.

The Beast Mar 4th 2012 2:24 am

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Rather than pander to pseudo ethical opinions and set up shambolic ‘Public Enquiries’, meant solely to appease a future polling vote....Would it not be far more productive to allow the CPS (As ineffective as they are) to peruse the evidence available and deem whether there is a case to answer than allow these venal, shallow liars to waste the public purse promoting c-list celebrities with languishing careers onto the front page of every periodical in the country.

There is no doubt a swathe of society which finds these appalling circuses of some interest....But I am sure that the money could be better focussed on bringing to justice the criminal antics of some of the highest placed public officials with the most incredible influence, this country has.

http://www.politicshome.com/uk/story/25161/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...lth-giant.html

This case being one of many where a conflict of interest is not just a sarcastic understatement but borders on the criminal and wholly immoral.

Sadly, this is the stereotypical of the class that rule the UK, putrid and rancid through and through and completely indifferent to the actual needs of the nation!

Arghhhhh!! Empty chest!

Bigger Jim Mar 4th 2012 7:13 pm

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When I joined the Signals we were regularly warned never to say anything on the phone that you wouldn't be prepared to shout loud out in any square in London. This was regularly updated throughout my service.

When the first electronic phones were introduced in the US the FBI tried to introduce a bill banning them as they were more difficult to eaves on as you needed more than two crocodile clips and an ear piece. Congress threw it out.

Things haven't changed. I have very little sympathy with most of the participants in the court cases. If they were that concerned they should have installed the appropriate safeguards.

Jim

HBG Mar 4th 2012 11:27 pm

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Originally Posted by Bigger Jim (Post 9936116)
When I joined the Signals we were regularly warned never to say anything on the phone that you wouldn't be prepared to shout loud out in any square in London. This was regularly updated throughout my service.

When the first electronic phones were introduced in the US the FBI tried to introduce a bill banning them as they were more difficult to eaves on as you needed more than two crocodile clips and an ear piece. Congress threw it out.

Things haven't changed. I have very little sympathy with most of the participants in the court cases. If they were that concerned they should have installed the appropriate safeguards.

Jim

I think you've hit the nail on the head, the world is so networked nowadays that there are no secrets left, there is no real privacy left.

I run a small commercial website and obviously have to seek traffic through the various social networks, especially Facebook. I know a celebrity, foolishly linked to it, and got 20,000 friendship requests the very next day. They're still pouring in and I don't log on to it any more.

I don't know why journalists ever bothered with phone hacking, I don't know why they ever bother to leave their offices, all the news is out there on Facebook, Twitter and all the others.

And I watched some of the Barcelona mobile phone conference just the other day. Those aren't phones any more, they're fully fledged, powerful mini computers, or hand grenades if you prefer.

Switch one of those on and the world will know what you're going to have for lunch before you do.

Domino Mar 7th 2012 4:21 am

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Originally Posted by Lynn R (Post 9934683)
This has been known about for many years - the predecessor organisation, the Economic League, operated in exactly the same way and kept it's records on card indexes in order to escape Data Protection legislation when that first came into force. The actor Ricky Tomlinson was one of their victims when he supported the Liverpool dockers' strike and never worked again in the construction industry as a result. Special Branch officers were routinely seen photographing people on demonstrations, including me I have no doubt.


nowadays you need a CSCS pass to get onto a construction site, even to deliver the water or pizza
so they will have the photo before you have the card - and you have to provide the photo !!

As to RT, it was his political activities on construction sites that led to his spending some time in prison.
Construction's loss, Acting's much bigger gain.

Domino Mar 7th 2012 4:27 am

Re: Do we need public enquiries?
 

Originally Posted by Bigger Jim (Post 9936116)
When I joined the Signals we were regularly warned never to say anything on the phone that you wouldn't be prepared to shout loud out in any square in London. This was regularly updated throughout my service.

When the first electronic phones were introduced in the US the FBI tried to introduce a bill banning them as they were more difficult to eaves on as you needed more than two crocodile clips and an ear piece. Congress threw it out.

Things haven't changed. I have very little sympathy with most of the participants in the court cases. If they were that concerned they should have installed the appropriate safeguards.

Jim


was essentially told the same thing, and whenever I was on the air I was always mindful of all those who could be listening to any mistakes I made.

the early "hands free" telephones in the house used a frequency around 1.6-1.8Mhz which I could pick up on my amateur receiver - some conversations were quite embarrassing :eek:

the "Racist" thread here is a good example with only 10-12 active participants it has had about 12,300 views.


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