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Fred James Jun 18th 2015 10:36 pm

Re: DeRegistering in Spain
 

Originally Posted by Saxy (Post 11679244)
If you do not sign off, then as far as the NHS is concerned, you are still a Spanish resident and not entitled to register with a surgery in the UK. Some surgeries are aware of this, and some aren't. My surgery was, and without proof of deregistration, would not have accepted me. The issue has become more relevant since the realization that health tourism is costing the NHS a fortune (Ashya King for instance).

If you are a UK State pensioner living in the EU you are now entitled to access the NHS at any time, resident or not.

Saxy Jun 18th 2015 10:49 pm

Re: DeRegistering in Spain
 
I was diagnosed with prostate cancer while living in the UK, and arrangements for it to be removed there. I moved to Spain before the date of that operation and was told that it could not now be done in the UK, because I was now a Spanish resident, so it would have to be carried out in Spain!!

Fred James Jun 18th 2015 11:03 pm

Re: DeRegistering in Spain
 
The rules changed at the beginning of the year. When they tightened up on the rules to stop health tourism, an unexpected benefit was regarding pensioners. This is what it says in the press release.

UK state pensioners who live elsewhere in the EEA will now have the same rights to NHS care as people who live in England. This applies to all pensioners who receive a UK state retirement pension and registered for healthcare in Europe with an S1 form.

The press release is at https://www.gov.uk/government/news/n...ns-to-nhs-care

Neptuno Jun 19th 2015 3:06 am

Re: DeRegistering in Spain
 
So what are the benefits of, and reasons for , De-registering?

snikpoh Jun 19th 2015 3:22 am

Re: DeRegistering in Spain
 

Originally Posted by Fred James (Post 11679323)
The rules changed at the beginning of the year. When they tightened up on the rules to stop health tourism, an unexpected benefit was regarding pensioners. This is what it says in the press release.

UK state pensioners who live elsewhere in the EEA will now have the same rights to NHS care as people who live in England. This applies to all pensioners who receive a UK state retirement pension and registered for healthcare in Europe with an S1 form.

The press release is at https://www.gov.uk/government/news/n...ns-to-nhs-care

Wow.

So that means that the UK pay twice for pensioners. Once for healthcare in Spain (at whatever the current annual rate is) and the second time for getting healthcare back in UK.

tabbicat Jun 19th 2015 4:31 am

Re: DeRegistering in Spain
 
When I moved back to the UK I had no problem registering with the NHS or to vote. You just need an address here and some proof of that. However when I signed on as unemployed I had to do something called a Habitual Residence Test (HRT) to show I intended to stay here, that slowed things up a bit. However, at no time did anybody ask if I had de-registered in Spain.

Neptuno, I wouldn't worry too much about it. Most likely it's just a formality. It's a different matter if you forget to give the "baja" with things like electricity or gym membership or insurance (mutua), although if you close your bank account perhaps not. I have kept my bank account in Spain in case I return, but I realise that is a grey area as I'm not resident. Also that's partly why I never de-registered.

Neptuno Jun 19th 2015 4:36 am

Re: DeRegistering in Spain
 
Anyone know what problems could occur if I don't deregister?
So far I can't see many on here giving me a good reason why I should?
Could there be any consequences regarding tax if i don't deregister?

Saxy Jun 19th 2015 5:01 am

Re: DeRegistering in Spain
 

Originally Posted by snikpoh (Post 11679535)
Wow.

So that means that the UK pay twice for pensioners. Once for healthcare in Spain (at whatever the current annual rate is) and the second time for getting healthcare back in UK.

Exactly. That's why I think that this is too vague an explanation of the changes. This seems to say that you can choose to have treatment or operations at a UK hospital and not a Spanish one. I don't believe that to be the case, it's just not practical. Also that it's OK to be registered with both a Spanish and a UK doctor, surely that is what will happen if you don't deregister with the Spanish system, which will still show you as being a Spanish resident.

Fred James Jun 19th 2015 5:32 am

Re: DeRegistering in Spain
 
Since the information came from HMG I suggest you get in touch with them. You are not going to get a definitive answer from anyone on the forum.

The wording looks pretty clear to me.

jimenato Jun 19th 2015 8:05 am

Re: DeRegistering in Spain
 

Originally Posted by Neptuno (Post 11679580)
Anyone know what problems could occur if I don't deregister?
So far I can't see many on here giving me a good reason why I should?
Could there be any consequences regarding tax if i don't deregister?

Apparently you can get problems with registering with the NHS if you don't de-register in Spain. When we were registered with the NHS we weren't asked about it but maybe some have. Maybe if you return to Spain and drive a UK registered car you could have a problem?

Saxy Jun 19th 2015 9:01 pm

Re: DeRegistering in Spain
 

Originally Posted by Fred James (Post 11679616)
Since the information came from HMG I suggest you get in touch with them. You are not going to get a definitive answer from anyone on the forum.

The wording looks pretty clear to me.

Before acting on this info, it should be checked out. What is lacking is detail, quite often things don't turn out the way they appear to be. The right thing to do, is to follow the correct procedure and deregister. Not adopt the all to often, lousy expat attitude of "I can't be bothered".

tabbicat Jun 19th 2015 9:14 pm

Re: DeRegistering in Spain
 

Not adopt the all to often, lousy expat attitude of "I can't be bothered"
Do you mean "lousy" as in terrible, or as in lice-infested? Or do you, in fact, mean "lazy"? As in can't be bothered to check spelling.

Many people when packing up their life and moving country, with tight travel deadlines, simply do not have time to de-register, or don't realise they have to. Not a question of lazy, lousy or head lice.

Saxy Jun 19th 2015 9:37 pm

Re: DeRegistering in Spain
 

Originally Posted by tabbicat (Post 11680152)
Do you mean "lousy" as in terrible, or as in lice-infested? Or do you, in fact, mean "lazy"? As in can't be bothered to check spelling.

Many people when packing up their life and moving country, with tight travel deadlines, simply do not have time to de-register, or don't realise they have to. Not a question of lazy, lousy or head lice.

Before posting, you should have checked the usual meaning of the word 'lousy'. Most people plan their lives well ahead, it's the 'lazy' ones who can't be bothered!!!

Fred James Jun 19th 2015 9:45 pm

Re: DeRegistering in Spain
 
Please, let's not have an argument about dictionary definitions. We all know the word has at least two equally well known meanings.

Back to the topic please.

Saxy Jun 19th 2015 10:05 pm

Re: DeRegistering in Spain
 

Originally Posted by Fred James (Post 11680170)
Please, let's not have an argument about dictionary definitions. We all know the word has at least two equally well known meanings.

Back to the topic please.

Agreed, but apparently one of us doesn't. I still say that we should all respect the Spanish system and dergister. Just imagine the feeling in the UK, if other nationalities ignored our procedings. Before someone says that they do, 'Two wrongs don't make a right!', and proves my point.


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