Originally Posted by Barriej (Post 13078735)

Leaving politics out of it completely.

Again the covid pass means nothing, just that you have had the jab.. (Im sorry to keep making this comment but so many around our way are saying the jab has protected them) But what from? You can still catch it and pass it, you may not die (but thats mainly for the variant you have been jabbed against)
So it allows you to travel, go in a bar or restaurant with more than 50 other people (so 49 is safe) I know a number had to be plucked out of the air..

So case in point... A good friend of ours lives up the hill from the village, rarely goes to town, except on market days to swap stuff he grows, the local butcher takes veg from him in exchange for meat (well stuff he is unable to catch himself), he has chickens, goats and rabbits. Lives off grid and hasn't been jabbed.
What is there to persuade him to get jabbed?

Nothing, he is not at much if any risk of catching it. Even less risk of spreading it.

And before anyone asks, he is a retired Chemistry Professor from Germany.. So not an idiot.

We are not fully jabbed as it took ages to get the temp sip card.
Had to change our plans slightly for Christmas as we were going to a big restaurant (which I didn't want to go to anyway as Im not happy with lots of people around me and I was like that before covid) and I wont pay €40 each for a test just for an expensive turkey dinner.
We are now going to a little local place with a couple of friends.

Originally Posted by Stingychips (Post 13078738)

the only way that covid vaccines will be truly effective is if everyone had the jab at the same time. The whole planet that is. Absolutely no way that is going too happen Even if the jab was 100% safe. The forced lockdowns have made alot of people paranoid and anti vax.

Originally Posted by Stingychips (Post 13078704)

People will turn soon. I heard of poor people getting paid to have peoples injections in his arm. He’s getting £500 a jab mind you.

Originally Posted by Stingychips (Post 13078731)

I’m not flying anytime soon. The restrictions have took the buzz out of going to the airport. Also the tests and paranoia of covid politics changing while your away it’s pointless going away anymore. Wouldn’t be surprised alot of airlines go bump in the future. I don’t criticise anyone for not wanting a vaccine. Even though I have always had mine. The forced covid vaccine politics is making me not want to have anymore. What’s going on now in Europe is tyranny.

Originally Posted by Fredbargate (Post 13079304)

I am flying home tomorrow

I hope I don't come into contact with one of these selfish dickheads who has cheated in order to fly or any other contact

Originally Posted by Stingychips (Post 13079314)

Well my brother has covid and has had both jabs. Also his gfs mum who has had all her jabs also has caught covid. So you can still pass it out regardless of how many jabs you have had. People need to relax and learn to live with this virus now. We are lucky that it is no where near as fatal as previous global pandemics.

Originally Posted by Fredbargate (Post 13079333)

So you are happy for people to lie their way through life?

Originally Posted by Stingychips (Post 13079341)

Not bothered if people want a vaccine or don’t want one. It doesn’t affect me if I sit next to an unvaccinated person or vaccinated as vaccinated people can still catch and transmit the virus.

Originally Posted by frigilianafreddy (Post 13079414)

Oh dear. Quite why do you think hospitalisations and deaths have lower incidence rates compared to last year. Why, Gadzooks, sensible people have been vaxxed. Extreme example but relevant. Fancy catching COVID and having nasty flu? Get vaxxed. Fancy catching COVID and getting hospitalised or die (if old or underlying conditions)? Don't get vaxxed.

The freedom to not get vaxxed restricts my freedom to NOT sit next to higher (and they are HIGHER) risk non vaxxed people.

I am dead against compulsion. But I dont want to have an unvaxxed person coughing next to me on a 3 hour plane trip. For gods sake you're not allowed into several countries without a yellow fever jab, for example. Yet you're allowed into a sweaty night club or a plane without a jab? Freaking bonkers. BONKERS!

Originally Posted by frigilianafreddy (Post 13079414)

Oh dear. Quite why do you think hospitalisations and deaths have lower incidence rates compared to last year. Why, Gadzooks, sensible people have been vaxxed. Extreme example but relevant. Fancy catching COVID and having nasty flu? Get vaxxed. Fancy catching COVID and getting hospitalised or die (if old or underlying conditions)? Don't get vaxxed.

The freedom to not get vaxxed restricts my freedom to NOT sit next to higher (and they are HIGHER) risk non vaxxed people.

I am dead against compulsion. But I dont want to have an unvaxxed person coughing next to me on a 3 hour plane trip. For gods sake you're not allowed into several countries without a yellow fever jab, for example. Yet you're allowed into a sweaty night club or a plane without a jab? Freaking bonkers. BONKERS!

Originally Posted by Chipmonk (Post 13079445)

Well if you dont want to be vaccinated dont get vaccinated but when you find yourself unable to travel, visit a bar, restaurant,cinema, use public transport etc remind yourself that you are cleverer and more important than everyone else and I am sure life on your own want be so bad

Originally Posted by Chipmonk (Post 13079445)

Well if you dont want to be vaccinated dont get vaccinated but when you find yourself unable to travel, visit a bar, restaurant,cinema, use public transport etc remind yourself that you are cleverer and more important than everyone else and I am sure life on your own want be so bad