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SHAME!

Re: Chiclana Recycling
 

Hey come on it takes the same amount of time to put your plastic bottles in a seperate bag as it does to put in the binbag, then put the rubbish in the grey box and the plastic in the yellow one. It all comes off the community charges here :D

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I must agree with unexpat that it should be pushed on producers of food etc that they should minimise their packaging - one of my pet hates is packaged apples etc why can't you buy them in a paper bag or loose? However, it is up to consumers to push this e.g. buy items that are not too packaged or to recycle what we do end up with at home.

I think that the Luz region (well in Cadiz at least) could do with more points to recycle things for people that wish to take part in it.

Where I live in the UK we are given recycling bins and it doesn't take that much longer to sort items into different bins. With the crappy weather we have been having for the last month global warming is certainly happening if you ask me - scary really.

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I've spent the majority of my career working in the recycling sector and things have moved on substantially over the past few years, principally due to the EU's progressive "Producer Responsibility" regulations.

These regulations, one each on packaging, vehicles and electrical/electronics make the "Producers" (manufacturers and retailers) responsible for both minimising the amount of hazardous materials within their products and for meeting gradually increasing recycling targets.

Packaging now needs to be recycled to a countrywide average of 66% which increases to 70% over the next 4 years. This targeting started in 1997 and costs the manufacturer/retailer quite a lot of money to meet each year as they have to pay the collectors and recyclers to manage their materials.

One thing to remember about packaging is that whilst we can all think of products that have an excess of packaging, most packaging actually prevents waste in stopping spoilage/damage prior to the point of sale. Many players have also spent a lot of time to minimise their packaging recycling costs (which are per tonne) by light-weighting their products - such as thinner aluminium cans etc.

You are right though, Cadiz province does lack a few collection facilities.

Re: Chiclana Recycling
 

Indeed. Some of the packaging on some items is ridiculous. I'm sure some do it for marketability and a higher profit margin as they seem to think that a neatly packaged supermarket item can command an unjustifiably higher price for the same goods.

Fortunately it doesn't take much Spanish to go to the counter and ask for your meat/produce cut/measured to size and wrapped in paper ;)

As for shame, I have none on this matter. I do not apologise for not wanting quotas on my rubbish and for not wanting to to pay for exceeding these, when I was already paying high community charges, as was the practice in the UK and then often having to wait two weeks between collections.

In my area in Spain, we are not provided with separate bins for recyling. There is the general rubbish bin, 30 seconds walk outside and that's it. If you want to recycle, you need to get in the car and drive 5 minutes to the recyling bin area (and 5 minutes back). That is time and money, not to mention the pollution caused by driving a cold car there.

If more bins, for the purposes of recycling, were added to the general bin locations, that would be a significant loading on the daily collection workload, leading to an unacceptable rise in costs. Daily collections of refuse are a must in Spain - you cannot compare the situation with the UK.

I am not overly convinced that recyling does that much to reduce global warming, in any case. In my opinion, much more progress would be made with better use of solar energy and electric transportation (versus the internal combustion engine). More and more people are driving cars and there are more people each day demanding oil and coal to drive their lifestyles.

More power to you if you recycle, but the real solution remains in investing in better methods to utilise and reduce the raw resources we consume at source. Now that, like education over social benefits, I would gladly pay for, as these are real longer term solutions.

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We have freecycling here, you put your household waste out in the bins, there are recycling bins for glass, paper and plastic bottles and cans, but anything big you put by the bin with the garden rubbish, within an hour it's gone :scared: In fact I was taking a second load out when I saw my first load coming back with someone else. :D I threw some corrugated plastic out this week, an hour later it was being used to strengthen a neighbours fence. :scared: They don't give us anything for recycling, in fact I don't even know where there is a recycling area near here, but things do get reused, I got a lovely collection of plant pots for free recently.

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Garbage, what is 5 mins in time!

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Now Mike that is what I call proper recycling! If you can re-use something or someone else can then that is fab.

Unexpat, I know what you mean but if the councils provided more local recycling centres then you would in theory be able to bike to the centre with your cans/bottles and not have to use the car. As for packaging, I can not see that there is less packaging than before. Now this is where Spain is better, you go to the supermaket and the fruit is all in big baskets and most of the meat is fresh behind a counter. In the UK nearly everything comes in bloomin bags. When I go shopping people look at me strangely if I just pop the fruit etc in the trolley without a bag - why on earth do you need to bag it when you are packing your shopping at the end of your shop anyway (with reusable bags I would like to add - don't even get me started on plastic shopping bags!).

People get in their cars just to pop to the shops these days and seem to forget about their legs or bikes. I think the problem is everything is being 'centralised' now from hospitals to shops etc which means even if I have a Doctors appointment here in the UK I have to get in a car as the public transport is soooo bad it would take me a week to do the trip because the Doctors is 2 villages away!

Solar and wind energy is fab, we are currently looking at getting this for our house. Mind you people are even moaning about them - we seem happy with electrical pilons and don't even seem to notice them anymore but when someone suggests a wind-turbine - aaahhh.

Sorry I will shut up now and I think I have enough hot air to generate a 4 bed house now

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Heaven forbid that there should be other opinions to yours :p

Try being more tolerant and accept that people view things differently, often for very good reasons.

You cannot oppose your personal opinion on others, in a free society. You may try to pursuade them otherwise with intelligent counter-arguments, but unfounded indignation doesn't usually work very well. ;)

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Shame on you. Glynis was not trying to oppose her personal opinion on anyone. Her original post was totally inoffensive and harmless, in so far as she was really excited about the fact that she received a gift. It was not meant to incense anyone and she. like you. has every right to her opinion.

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Sorry, but, like I said, indignation doesn't have much to commend itself as an argument in my book. Rather than "cry shame on you", maintain some respect and you will be returned the same. Pursuade me with a compelling counter argument that my viewpoint is wrong, if you feel strongly enough about it.

If you post on a public forum, expect others to post differing opinions. In no way did I launch any personal insults or ridicule against anyone. I merely stated a differing opinion on the subject in hand.

And I agree, she has every right to her opinion. The difference is I am not intolerant of it; I simply have a differing one and feel that I also have the right to hold it without being insulted.

Buenas noches compadres ;)

Re: Chiclana Recycling
 

Actually Unexpat, I did give you a compelling reason! I will repeat that by recycling it keeps down the hordes of rubbish which are just being thrown either by the bins or just on the side of the road or indeed in people´s gardens. This in turn apart from looking gross also encourages vermin. The stray dogs pull the bags, if put in bags, open and then for our area the Levante blows the rubbish over a wide area which is at the least unsightly. I also don´t think that by writing shame or garbage it is a personal insult. This is something that I have never steeped to doing nor will I. To say shame is exactly that, it is a shame that you are so vehement in your views against recycling, but, yes you are entitled to these.

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Not sure what will happen here next month, the rubbish collecors go on strike from 31st August, seems they have an argument with Colsur, there was a similar dispute in other areas which has been resolved.

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We need to do recycling because, as Glynis says, the rubbish ends up everywhere and I don't particularly want it in my street. In an earlier post you referred to recycling using a cold car. Well we don't. We do our recycling when we do our shopping. It's easy enough to do.

How can I maintain respect for you when I don't know you? I don't expect it from you as you don't know me and respect is earned. However, I believe that respect of opinions is vital. Of course you are absolutely entitled to your opinion but there is no reason to get angry, as the tone of your posts implies.

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Just been reading the teletext on tv today, according to the Instutute for Public Policy Research it seems, in Europe, the U.K. has one of the worst rates for recycling rubbish, only Greece and Portugal are worse , but here in the Midlands Litchfield Council recycled 46.35 %, the best in the area for 2004-2005.