caught drink driving..
Jul 25th 2014 | 12:00 am
#151
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Re: caught drink driving..
Sorry but would from my experience of Heroin Addict disagree with that view. A very large number end up just as Peaches did sadly, but quite often in squalor. I do agree that yes alcoholics are not off their head on drink all the time, neither are people that get very drunk now and again an alcoholic. Many actual alcoholics function very well but do have that need to constantly have a level of alcohol within the system to function otherwise the withdrawal symptoms kick in causing them not to function properly. That is where the similarity with any other addiction kicks in. Alcohol pretty well is a known strength etc ( I accept in the case of some vodkas not so as not known true contents which in itself can cause harm). Heroin and many other illegal substances are concocted by the dealers and no one as a clue to strength etc of what is in it, particularly when injected into the system. Hence why many have taken such drugs over a long period suddenly die from it because the strength may far exceed what their body has become accustomed to and they tip over that fine line. They all play Russian Roulette with every fix.
But there are plenty of functional addicts out there and technically illegal substances is the tip of the iceberg.
Jul 25th 2014 | 12:17 am
#152
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Re: caught drink driving..
Point accepted re quotes my mistake hadn't realised I had removed them. I just speak from what I have seen and dealt with, heroin is in my view evil kills too many destroys the lives of the user and their families in many many cases. I Can only speak as I have found, it may well differ from your experience.
Jul 25th 2014 | 12:35 pm
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Re: caught drink driving..
So now you think it's a joke. I posed a serious question to you twice. You are the one making judgements about these people and when challenged it is clear that you have nothing to offer the debate.
Jul 26th 2014 | 3:56 am
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Re: caught drink driving..
Stuboy not knowing full circumstances and based on what you say re just a couple every day, I would say lonely just looking for a break from the house not being used to being on own. I once as a cop dealt with a guy who started drinking following loss of his wife. After dealing with hima few day later I paid him a visit to try and help purely because he had mentioned recent loss of his wife. Turned out he was an ex soldier been married since 20 and at 75 found himself stuck on his own pining for his deceased wife. Turned to drink but didn't stop at 2 as in your case short binge unfortunately but didn't become dependent. Having 22 years military service behind me with his permission I contacted SAAFA and the Army Benevolent people to make them aware of his situation. They were in touch with him I don't know what extent they helped but he turned himself around. He passed away himself not too long after but at least with dignity. There are many reasons people turn to drink not many can say they haven't at some point. Thing is controlling it in my view.
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Jul 26th 2014 | 4:51 am
#157
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Re: caught drink driving..
Alcoholism is an extremely complicated subject, misunderstood by most people. It is most commonly found in the medical profession, academic pursuits and ordinary jobs involving high stress levels like front line journalism or front line policing in high crime areas. There are many other similar examples, and when personal factors, like divorce or bereavement are involved as well, the hellish route to addiction is almost inevitable.
A cure has never been found, an alcoholic will always be an alcoholic, but that doesn’t mean he should ever take another drink. The most successful self help programme is that provided by AA on a world wide basis with tens of millions of members, who no longer drink alcohol because they’re alcoholics.
A cure has never been found, an alcoholic will always be an alcoholic, but that doesn’t mean he should ever take another drink. The most successful self help programme is that provided by AA on a world wide basis with tens of millions of members, who no longer drink alcohol because they’re alcoholics.
Jul 26th 2014 | 6:37 am
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Re: caught drink driving..
Alcoholism is an extremely complicated subject, misunderstood by most people. It is most commonly found in the medical profession, academic pursuits and ordinary jobs involving high stress levels like front line journalism or front line policing in high crime areas. There are many other similar examples, and when personal factors, like divorce or bereavement are involved as well, the hellish route to addiction is almost inevitable.A cure has never been found, an alcoholic will always be an alcoholic, but that doesn’t mean he should ever take another drink. The most successful self help programme is that provided by AA on a world wide basis with tens of millions of members, who no longer drink alcohol because they’re alcoholics.
Rosemary
Jul 26th 2014 | 7:19 am
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Re: caught drink driving..
No sorry Rosemary the man I spoke of hadn't drank for some years and due to his grief had drank more than 2 pints, hence why I said he had been on a bit of a one off binge. I agree 2 pints a day is far from a binge.
I can't edit that post but that paragraph should read,
Turned to drink but didn't stop at 2 as in the case Stuboy mentions, but went on a short binge unfortunately.
I can't edit that post but that paragraph should read,
Turned to drink but didn't stop at 2 as in the case Stuboy mentions, but went on a short binge unfortunately.
Last edited by bobd22; Jul 26th 2014 at 7:55 am.
Jul 26th 2014 | 8:49 am
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Re: caught drink driving..
re drink and driving or any other "crime" if you cant do the time dont do the crime, no sympathy whatever if caught.
Jul 26th 2014 | 6:34 pm
#162
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Re: caught drink driving..
Sometimes we lose the fact that most of us are expats – we have chosen to leave the country of our birth to live, and die, in foreign fields.
We encounter certain problems because of our choice, the most common one is illness, often just of the mind, because of our uncertain life style.
If you examine the self help associations in our new lives, the great majority of them concern alcohol misuse, it’s our biggest problem. It’s not peculiar to living abroad.
Luckily, the majority of people will not know what I’m talking about and that’s the way it should be. For those who have some inkling of the wider things, I have a suggestion.
The treatment of alcoholism is completely transparent, it can’t be any other way. If any doubters want some enlightenment, I advise going to an open AA meeting in Westminster, or the City.
Some are held early in the morning, for people on their way to work, like government ministers or people running our biggest banks. Just sit and watch and listen. You might learn something.
We encounter certain problems because of our choice, the most common one is illness, often just of the mind, because of our uncertain life style.
If you examine the self help associations in our new lives, the great majority of them concern alcohol misuse, it’s our biggest problem. It’s not peculiar to living abroad.
Luckily, the majority of people will not know what I’m talking about and that’s the way it should be. For those who have some inkling of the wider things, I have a suggestion.
The treatment of alcoholism is completely transparent, it can’t be any other way. If any doubters want some enlightenment, I advise going to an open AA meeting in Westminster, or the City.
Some are held early in the morning, for people on their way to work, like government ministers or people running our biggest banks. Just sit and watch and listen. You might learn something.
Jul 26th 2014 | 10:31 pm
#163
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Re: caught drink driving..
We (expats) encounter illness because we live away from our place of birth? Seriously?
Genuine question, as I have been an expat for many years and don't recognise what you are saying.
Genuine question, as I have been an expat for many years and don't recognise what you are saying.
Last edited by Horlics; Jul 26th 2014 at 10:35 pm.
Jul 26th 2014 | 10:58 pm
#164
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Re: caught drink driving..
Sorry if I haven’t explained myself very well. I’ve found skin cancer and alcoholism common within my expat area.
Jul 27th 2014 | 1:15 am
#165
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Re: caught drink driving..
Ah, i thought you were talking about all expats, many of whom go to places where the sun doesn't shine all the time, and many of whom are of working age and therefore don't loaf about outside all day. I can see the issues for those of retirement age who head off to Club Med.
