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-   -   The caliphate of Andalus. (https://britishexpats.com/forum/spain-75/caliphate-andalus-837702/)

jimenato Jul 5th 2014 7:46 pm
Re: The caliphate of Andalus.
 
Originally Posted by retired in euzkadi (Post 11326764)
That explains it; thanks.
I reckon they're wild off the mark if they think they can claim the whole of India in a caliphate. But then statements from the Middle East are often full of exaggerated claims.
You think they'll manage Spain then?

rugbymatt Jul 5th 2014 8:11 pm
Re: The caliphate of Andalus.
 
Originally Posted by retired in euzkadi (Post 11326765)
I'm pleased to see you wrote Sky Fairy with capital letters. Might one deduce that not quite all doubt is removed??!!
You can deduce all you like. I have absolutely no problem with people having faith in a set of principles, codes, teachings about life, none at all but when someone tells me that a book written by humans, manipulative humans, is the word on some omnipotent being who created life at a whim and takes it away with equal ease then I'm sorry.... That's when I have a problem. "If there is a god he will have to beg my forgiveness"..... Recognise the quote?

lutonlad Jul 5th 2014 10:19 pm
Re: The caliphate of Andalus.
 
Originally Posted by HBG (Post 11326346)
I saw on the news earlier that the new Caliph, Abu Baghdad, now wants all Muslims to obey him and some other nonsense on the same theme. I call it nonsense and most westerners probably agree, but the leaderless Muslims in that part of the world may disagree and flock to worship the new leader.

He doesn’t have much competition, some mad mullahs in Iran, a war monger in Syria, and the Shias in Baghdad who throw down their weapons as soon as they hear gun shots. And the fat Saudis, kept in power by the US because of their oil.

I think the new Caliphate can only be a good thing for the civilised world, if the ****ers get too far ahead of themselves just a sensible sized nuke can put an end to it.
I wonder if that may contravene their Human Rights :unsure:

Retired in Euskadi Jul 5th 2014 10:21 pm
Re: The caliphate of Andalus.
 
Originally Posted by jimenato (Post 11326772)
You think they'll manage Spain then?
Dream on. Everyone with beards here? and women hidden away in black?
Let them happily think so, as long as they don't preach hatred.

The only one strength they have is that they have a goal. We in the West have jettisoned the respect & idea even of God. He's not even mentioned in the EU constitution; the bureaucrats made sure His name & all the Christian heritage Europe has had was expunged, obliterated, de-referenced. So I guess He thinks we can live without Him.
We're rudderless, much like the current US policy in the world.

Retired in Euskadi Jul 5th 2014 10:24 pm
Re: The caliphate of Andalus.
 
Originally Posted by rugbymatt (Post 11326785)
You can deduce all you like. I have absolutely no problem with people having faith in a set of principles, codes, teachings about life, none at all but when someone tells me that a book written by humans, manipulative humans, is the word on some omnipotent being who created life at a whim and takes it away with equal ease then I'm sorry.... That's when I have a problem. "If there is a god he will have to beg my forgiveness"..... Recognise the quote?
Sorry, but I don't recognise the quote.
There are lots of questions I'd like answers to right now, but for me to be telling Him that He got it wrong so often is gross arrogance. But that's just me personally.

jimenato Jul 5th 2014 10:52 pm
Re: The caliphate of Andalus.
 
Originally Posted by retired in euzkadi (Post 11326887)
Dream on. Everyone with beards here? and women hidden away in black?
Let them happily think so, as long as they don't preach hatred.

The only one strength they have is that they have a goal. We in the West have jettisoned the respect & idea even of God. He's not even mentioned in the EU constitution; the bureaucrats made sure His name & all the Christian heritage Europe has had was expunged, obliterated, de-referenced. So I guess He thinks we can live without Him.
We're rudderless, much like the current US policy in the world.
The US - the 'One Nation Under God' is rudderless?

And thinking about it, Europe - rudderless though it may be - is a far preferable place to live than a strong, goal orientated, God respecting world. Like Iraq/Iran/Syria.

jimenato Jul 5th 2014 10:59 pm
Re: The caliphate of Andalus.
 
Originally Posted by retired in euzkadi (Post 11326889)
Sorry, but I don't recognise the quote.
There are lots of questions I'd like answers to right now, but for me to be telling Him that He got it wrong so often is gross arrogance. But that's just me personally.
http://i.imgur.com/Q8jM07j.jpg

rugbymatt Jul 5th 2014 10:59 pm
Re: The caliphate of Andalus.
 
Originally Posted by retired in euzkadi (Post 11326889)
Sorry, but I don't recognise the quote.
There are lots of questions I'd like answers to right now, but for me to be telling Him that He got it wrong so often is gross arrogance. But that's just me personally.
It was written on a wall in Auchwitz. To paraphrase the great Mr Zimmerman.... The Germans too thought god was on their side.

Retired in Euskadi Jul 6th 2014 1:25 am
Re: The caliphate of Andalus.
 
Originally Posted by jimenato (Post 11326898)
The US - the 'One Nation Under God' is rudderless?

And thinking about it, Europe - rudderless though it may be - is a far preferable place to live than a strong, goal orientated, God respecting world. Like Iraq/Iran/Syria.
The difference between the Islamists perception of God is that they believe he can be forced upon you by the sword from a position of strength.
America is no longer seen as the defender of the "West" as it's retreating everywhere, leaving a vacuum. Obama has failed to see the Islamist threat, appeasing Iran, supporting a corrupt Pakistan with billions of $ only later to realise the Pakistan military & intelligence were spending his money bankrolling the Taliban, his failure to act in Syria, to name a few. So the West is seen as a pushover. They have time on their side & we're too war weary & apathetic to notice.

rugbymatt Jul 6th 2014 1:48 am
Re: The caliphate of Andalus.
 
Originally Posted by retired in euzkadi (Post 11326983)
The difference between the Islamists perception of God is that they believe he can be forced upon you by the sword from a position of strength.
America is no longer seen as the defender of the "West" as it's retreating everywhere, leaving a vacuum. Obama has failed to see the Islamist threat, appeasing Iran, supporting a corrupt Pakistan with billions of $ only later to realise the Pakistan military & intelligence were spending his money bankrolling the Taliban, his failure to act in Syria, to name a few. So the West is seen as a pushover. They have time on their side & we're too war weary & apathetic to notice.
As opposed to the Christian standpoint for the last 2000 years you mean? You know, where they forced people to learn nothing but the bible they preached and held people in serfdom to the church? If he wasn't such a maniacal brute I'd happily make Henry the 8th a Patron of England for the damage he did to the church in England, pity he didn't go far enough though eh?

lutonlad Jul 6th 2014 2:22 am
Re: The caliphate of Andalus.
 
Originally Posted by rugbymatt (Post 11326997)
As opposed to the Christian standpoint for the last 2000 years you mean? You know, where they forced people to learn nothing but the bible they preached and held people in serfdom to the church? If he wasn't such a maniacal brute I'd happily make Henry the 8th a Patron of England for the damage he did to the church in England, pity he didn't go far enough though eh?
Fortunately, what makes you 'happy' is totally irrelevant.

rugbymatt Jul 6th 2014 2:41 am
Re: The caliphate of Andalus.
 
Originally Posted by lutonlad (Post 11327022)
Fortunately, what makes you 'happy' is totally irrelevant.
Shhh, the grown ups are talking, go and play with your Lego.

Domino Jul 6th 2014 3:18 am
Re: The caliphate of Andalus.
 
Originally Posted by rugbymatt (Post 11326997)
As opposed to the Christian standpoint for the last 2000 years you mean? You know, where they forced people to learn nothing but the bible they preached and held people in serfdom to the church? If he wasn't such a maniacal brute I'd happily make Henry the 8th a Patron of England for the damage he did to the church in England, pity he didn't go far enough though eh?
sounds more like another well known Abrahamic religion
:zzz:

rugbymatt Jul 6th 2014 3:30 am
Re: The caliphate of Andalus.
 
Originally Posted by Domino (Post 11327085)
sounds more like another well known Abrahamic religion
:zzz:
Or... Both of them?

Retired in Euskadi Jul 6th 2014 3:57 am
Re: The caliphate of Andalus.
 
Originally Posted by rugbymatt (Post 11326997)
As opposed to the Christian standpoint for the last 2000 years you mean? You know, where they forced people to learn nothing but the bible they preached and held people in serfdom to the church? If he wasn't such a maniacal brute I'd happily make Henry the 8th a Patron of England for the damage he did to the church in England, pity he didn't go far enough though eh?
The established churches have a shameful history that wants any decent person to wipe clean. But times have mercifully moved on. We are no longer "slaves" of the church in the way that allowed the church to abuse its power over the common people.
These Islamists on the other hand wish to return to those mediaeval days with a vengeance.


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