Re: Burgled- What would you do?
 

If they have got away with your things and money then what can you do after the law has dealt with them?
IF they are on your property and attacking you for your possessions then at that minute whatever takes place takes place. If someone gets injured then hopefully it will be the intruder and hopefully hurt badly enough so they don't intrude again for quite a while.
Any people setting their sights on retribution and causing any physical harm (especially death) to someone who has committed the offence surely becomes worse than the intruder in the first place.
If they took your stuff, be grateful you weren't there as they could quite easily have killed you for your possessions. You can buy new ones. Just consider yourself unlucky that it happened but lucky that you now know you are well and you will be more secure in future.
Once you start going down the road of violent revenge it may start to involve very unsavoury characters that would not think twice before chopping you down (If he was working for people higher up, they may not like him being attacked as he would account for some of their income). It is gangland territory and once entered into that sector it is very very hard to get back out.
To know who the person is and point them out to others is good enough, find that out and stay out of their way and tell everyone else who they are too.:thumbsup: Trust it to be a Brit.:frown:
That's just what I'd do.:thumbup:

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I would disagree with you there regarding upset.
For some it can be extremely upsetting and not necessarily because of the finanacial loss.
I think womenfolk are generally the ones most upset,indeed sometimes traumatised by such an event.
They can look upon it as almost a personal violation to have had some stranger break into their home,rifle through all their private and very personal possesions and possibly steal items which may mean much more to them than just money, such as family heirlooms and personal presents from special occasions.
On occasions they can be so upset, as to no longer feel the house is their home and just want to get away from it and start elsewhere,in a sense partly wrecking their lives.
OK you can say its silly,but different people react or are affected in different ways and no compensation from insurance companies will ever make them feel any better about it.
Personally I have come across my fair share of burglaries, so by now it is more like water on a ducks back to me.
I rarely keep anything of value in the house anyway and always approach it with the half expectancy of being turned over, so make sure theres nothing too much to worry about if it happens, and if it does then just stick in a reasonable insurance claim and forget about it, apart from beefing up security as far as possible for which I now have my own methods that touch wood have served me well for quite a while now.
Nothing much to be gained by letting such things pray on your mind and looking for vengeance in one form or another,but maybe something more to be lost.
However as I said earlier,people are often affected differently, and for some it can even come close to wrecking their lives.
My own personal nightmare would be for the burglars to torch the property before leaving,which does occasionally happen, and that would be tough to get over,but I would hope not to dwell on it to long and instead try to look forward to the next challenge.

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Not always the women. I know every time we have visited since the burglary 18 months ago, I get a queasy stomach at what we might find when we actually get to the door. At times this has bordered on almost physical vomiting. If it does that to me, I don't know how Karen handles it at all. She just stays quiet until we get inside and see nothing is disturbed. In our instance they had destroyed the electronic gate opener to gain entrance, we now have to chain and padlock the gates. Then to get into the house we don't know what they used but the rear door was left in pieces on the floor along with the door frame torn from the wall surround, lots of damage to sort out on top of the stolen goods.

We were not insured and had to work hard for what we had in the house, so 5000€ worth of goods was a lot to replace. But now down the line we are almost back to where we were, the difference is, now we have to take our valuables, tv, hifi etc, to a friends home in the village that is occupied 52 weeks a year. At least that gives us some measure of safety on the valuables.

It does not stop burglars breaking back in on the off-chance we have replaced our goods. At the end of the day, a burglary really is a personal violation, it makes you feel dirty and vunerable all the time. The slightest noise in the night and you are awake and listening intently to see if its somebody trying to get back in.

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Oh please.

Martin shot two people in the back as they were fleeing from his house, and then allegedly lied to the police about what happened.

How precisely is that so intelligent? It was stupid, stupid, stupid. Do you think that it should be OK for someone to shoot burglars dead when they are no threat?

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Easy to say it was stupid,which in the cold light of day it appears to be.
However it should be taken into account what this guy had already been through and obviously still had to to through without satisfactory protection from the law or anyone else.
He could be forgiven for thinking he was all on his own and the time had now come to take some positive action to try and stop it himself.
Whether he or anyone else could think rationally under those circumstances is a matter of opinion,but without doubt everyone has at some level a breaking point where they could completely lose the plot,all self control and go way over the top.

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I'm not advocating shooting anybody, it just seems to me that the habitual criminals get away with it, while honest people have to pay high insurance costs, and we do not get justice from either the police or the courts

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Quite agree,however from my reading of the situation the courts tend to be the biggest failure.
In many cases the police go to no end of trouble to apprehend criminals, often putting their personal safety at great risk and folloow it up with a pile of paperwork and all the other necessary arrangements for a court case.
Yet so often even repeated offenders are given conditional discharges,suspended sentences a slap on the wrist or a pat on the head.
Whilst I know the prisons are mostly full,it must be disheartening for the police as well as the general public to see all their effort to get some sort of justice virtually wasted.
The govt even managed to make matters worse with their ridiculous early release scheme, which I believe has now been scrapped.
Instead of building more luxury prisons they should pack the beggars in the ones they already have like bloody sardines and put them all on dry bread and water.
Then they maybe they woud think twice about re-offending..:frown:

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Well said! :thumbup:

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Easy to say? It was stupid beyond belief! He lied to the police about the series of events, and he shot two people in the back, killing one. (I think those were the details.)

Anyone who does that deserves locking up.

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Oh please.

If there is one thing that stands out it is that prison doesn't work. It's a great place for making bad people worse. Time and time again we see that the more you punish someone, the more likely they are to reoffend, and the harsher the imprisonment, the more this is true.

Uk prisons are very nasty places if you are a normal human being. US prisons are far, far worse, and the US locks up more of it's population (per 1000 people) than any other country in the world, if I remember that right. That's not indicative that it is a real deterrent.

In short, you need to bend every sinew to make sure that you treat criminals so that they do not reoffend, and not pander to populist idiots who want hanging and flogging without having the brains to realise that they will have to pay a high price for indulging their moralistic fantasies.

A couple of points. Keeping a prisoner connected to his family gives a better chance of reform, but the last time I looked, they made sure that prisoners were locked up as far away from their families as possible. Plus, on being released, they were given a week's money and told they couldn't claim social security for two weeks.

This of course may have changed, but if not, duuuhhhhhhhhh.

It's almost as if the government wanted to ensure that they stayed trapped in the system until they were so instityutionalised they couldn't survive outside.

I also accept that there are some people who will not accept society's norms and conform to a life free of violence and thieving. At that point those people should be locked up for the duration. Regrettable, but there you are.

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Dont think you get my point.
As I said everyone has a breaking point, and if this guy had been driven to such a point of despair and desperation, that he just didn't consider the consequences or even care about his own future any more, at that particular moment in time,.... to the extent that maybe he thought if my life is no longer worth living, then I'll bloody well make sure that the lives of those responsible aint worth living either.

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Fair point, and I can understand his rage, but I tell you this, had it been me in that house and I had decided to go down that route, they would both have been dead, and I would have ensured that it went down as a tragic accident.

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Nice thought,but maybe easier said than done.

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Holy shit, I find that way of thinking very alarming, I´m outta here.:thumbdown:

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Now then ,..how to get rid of the bodies?
Ah yes.
That'll do nicely....:sneaky: