Hornets_Nest

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/million-brits-living-continent-become-illegal-eu-no-deal-plans-114354451.html?guccounter=1

UK citizens will lose their automatic legal rights to live on the continent under a no-deal Brexit, the European commission has confirmed.

Fred James

missile

Many other non EU citizens seem to do quite nicely thank you. Nothing sells newspapers or wins an election better than a good scare story :-)

mikelincs

Which is what would be expected, if the UK leaves with 'no deal' then it becomes effective immediately, no transition period. The onus is on TM and the UK government to sort itout, but it will possibly be good for those who have moved their businesses to EU countriies, such as Jacob Rees Mogg has done + others, they will benefit so a no deal scenario is good for them, but Jeremy Corbiyn was totally correct when he called them 'stupid people'

1sexsmith

Anyone legally registered before the end of March will be entitled to remain irrespective of the 5 year rule. This was outlined very early on. So if you have residence you can still carry on to live here. Even if you do it at the beginning of March. The only thing you wont be able to do is take up residence in other EU countries should you think of moving. Also you will be able to return to UK for a period of 5 years ( not 2) before losing your residential rights.

Pollyana

Best scare story I've heard so far was on some LBC Radio phone in last night.
Woman claimed her daughter, who has been living in Spain for 27 years and is a dual citizen, UK and Spain, has received a letter stating that she has to "immediately give up either her Spanish or British passports as she will no longer be able to hold both once Brexit goes through" .

1sexsmith

I should add that whilst the UK gov has guaranteed the rights of existing EU nationals in UK to remain it is true that the EU has not stipulated the same however this is because the event of a no deal seemed so preposterous . However Brussels has always indicated the UK nationals would not be subject to retrospective laws.

Moses2013

Well on the EU website it's 2 years and that's only for EU citizens. So if you are no longer in the EU, who knows?
https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizen...e/index_en.htm

It won't be relevant for pensioners anyway.

1sexsmith

The passport story is possibly true as Spain has always insisted that you can hold one passport. I think you are meant to hand your UK one on when you receive your Spanish one. The same is not true in UK. So the story is true but I don't think it is related to Brexit

BritInParis

If British citizens become third country nationals on 30 March then they’ll be subject to the immigration rules of their host countries. That doesn’t equate to being ‘illegal’. As it’s already been decided that British citizens will be able to visit the UK for up to 90 days after Brexit without a visa then, in a worst case scenario, you would have three months to regulate your immigration status in your host country. The linked story explains this.

bobd22

My view is do as much as you can to prepare for this all be it an ever changing thing. If you are living in Spain or elsewhere in the EU but haven't bothered to obtain residency then you have no one but yourself to blame if it all goes pear shaped. In these last few months there will be more and more scare stories, because they are in the press doesn't make them true. Currently UK government are using no deal as a tool to scare public and through them MPs into voting for the deal on offer. If that doesn't work then my view is other things will happen and personally I don't think no deal will be the outcome. If it is I have done as much as I can to safeguard my position rather than just burying my head in the sand.

snikpoh

.. but they (UK Government) send it straight back to you!

Pollyana

Which is not quite what was being said on the radio, where besides the fact that it was being directly linked to Brexit, the woman was claiming her daughter had to choose whether she wanted to be a Spanish citizen or a British one, as being dual would no longer be possible.

Boseley

If you are a citizen of the United Kingdom and apply for Spanish Nationality, you have to renounce your U.K. nationality prior to being granted Spanish Nationality.

I have travelled this road, I was not required to surrender my U.K. passport, the Spanish passport only costs 26 €. so the expensive U.K. passport is now out of the question.

In the eyes of the Spanish authorities, you have single nationality, but the U.K. authorities recognise you as a dual national

Assanah

The EU hasn't stipulate this because immigration laws are not the EU's responsibility. It is the prerogative of the member states to decide what to do with foreigners.

The British will lose their right to work and live in the EU with Brexit because they will lose their EU citizenship. So British will need to apply for an appropriate visa - just like a Nigerian would. If they satify the requirements they can stay if not they have to leave. There are many from non-EU countries who would love to live in EU member states but can't because they don't get a visa. So don't fool yourself. After Brexit you will be at the mercy of the Spanish government.