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Old Aug 7th 2012 | 4:27 am
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Originally Posted by cricketman
Of course it wasnt

But think about this..how much was the average salary in the UK/Spain in the mid 90s compared to the average house price

And what is that relationship now?

That tells you all you need to know.
I see your point (slightly),but everything is at the mercy of market fluctuations.Currency,shares,even gold and diamonds.I would predict that property will fair better than cash in the next ten years.If the euro manages to stay together it will be financed by inflation,if the peseta makes a comeback I hate to think what the currency markets will do to it! Don't forget modern economics is built on opinion
 
Old Aug 7th 2012 | 5:13 am
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Originally Posted by Daveinspain
I see your point (slightly),but everything is at the mercy of market fluctuations.Currency,shares,even gold and diamonds.I would predict that property will fair better than cash in the next ten years.If the euro manages to stay together it will be financed by inflation,if the peseta makes a comeback I hate to think what the currency markets will do to it! Don't forget modern economics is built on opinion
Again, in a way I agree. Although I dont think the answer is property

Remember that there is also opportunity cost. If all your cash is in property then you cannot buy or invest in anything else. And you may have to work to pay off the loans and servicing costs

Thats why I have cash at the minute, looking for opportunities as the market drops. You'd have to have a lot of savings to get a good return off a 3% savings rate! But then again, I know people who struggle to get a 3% return off the rental of their property, especially in Spain

It's time to de-leverage! In fact it was time to de-leverage 4 or 5 years ago
 
Old Aug 7th 2012 | 5:55 am
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Originally Posted by cricketman
Well sure, but you'd still get it! They have to pay up within 10 days I believe
I bet you believe in fairies as well.
 
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Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly
I bet you believe in fairies as well.
Yes nothing is guarenteed

But its just a likely that they would introduce new or higher property taxes e.g. 3% of the property value each year, like in some US states

The 10% sales tax in Spain is enough to put me off, that's straight off your profit margin
 
Old Aug 7th 2012 | 7:10 am
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As previously mentioned before you talked yourself into a hole, under present circumstances your cash is probably better stashed away safely under your own control than in the bank, where all bets and guarantees could well be off, if things continue on what seems an inevitable journey towards financial meltdown.
 
Old Aug 7th 2012 | 6:20 pm
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Originally Posted by Daveinspain
I see your point (slightly),but everything is at the mercy of market fluctuations.Currency,shares,even gold and diamonds.I would predict that property will fair better than cash in the next ten years.If the euro manages to stay together it will be financed by inflation,if the peseta makes a comeback I hate to think what the currency markets will do to it! Don't forget modern economics is built on opinion
I wouldn't bet on that.
House prices have been falling slowly for a few years now. The government have put every prop under the market that they can in order to prevent the bubble bursting but I believe they are now facing the reality of the situation: house prices are just too far out of synch with wages.
My personal opinion is that they will still do whatever it takes to prevent a crash (too many VI's), but they will allow a slow deflation of prices over the next few years, coupled with above target inflation.
Even the banks can see the inevitable fall in prices: why else would they be insisting on 25% deposits and regularly under valuing property when mortgage applications are presented - they are hedging their bets and looking to protect their investment if they have to reposess.

And even if you find a property that manages to hold its value over the next ten years, the maintenance costs alone could easily be a thousand a year.

Of course, there are always those very desirable areas where house prices seem to always rise, but I for one would not want to buy property as an investment vehicle. A place to live, possibly, but investment, not a chance.

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Old Aug 9th 2012 | 11:19 am
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Am I the only one on here that purchased a bit of land with a house to live in and not as an investment, remember you can't take your cash with you when you depart this world, buy yourself a nice house and don't worry about your money keep enough for that rainy day and enjoy the rest your life as I do.
 
Old Aug 9th 2012 | 9:25 pm
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Originally Posted by billgates
I wouldn't bet on that.
House prices have been falling slowly for a few years now. The government have put every prop under the market that they can in order to prevent the bubble bursting but I believe they are now facing the reality of the situation: house prices are just too far out of synch with wages.
My personal opinion is that they will still do whatever it takes to prevent a crash (too many VI's), but they will allow a slow deflation of prices over the next few years, coupled with above target inflation.
Even the banks can see the inevitable fall in prices: why else would they be insisting on 25% deposits and regularly under valuing property when mortgage applications are presented - they are hedging their bets and looking to protect their investment if they have to reposess.

And even if you find a property that manages to hold its value over the next ten years, the maintenance costs alone could easily be a thousand a year.

Of course, there are always those very desirable areas where house prices seem to always rise, but I for one would not want to buy property as an investment vehicle. A place to live, possibly, but investment, not a chance.
I suppose it will always depend on the term of your investment.I was looking at the model of someone in their mid twenties making an investment for their retirement.I think most would agree private pensions and shares are shot,currency and commodity trading are fraught with problems.Cash with todays low interest rates and the promise of continued inflationary government policies isn't a good alternative.So taking everything into consideration I'd still go bricks and mortar.If there was a definitive answer we'd all be richer and so just like a day at the track it'll always be a gamble,with some luckier than others.
 
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Originally Posted by Daveinspain
I was looking at the model of someone in their mid twenties making an investment for their retirement
Are you crazy?

I dont know anyone in their mid 20s who would do this, neither should they
 
Old Aug 9th 2012 | 11:16 pm
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Originally Posted by Daveinspain
Historically property has always been the best "long term" investment.Seems people who have large amounts of money are struggling to find safe havens.
i did not struggle to find a safe haven,i bought one ounce krugerrands 8 years ago,GUESS what, my gold has tripled in value,
prices in the piigs have still to drop a lot yet,i'll stick with gold its been good for 5000 years.
 

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