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Another thing. If OBL with his shaky hands had got the phone numbers wrong (in view of his Euros they might have been Spanish ones), he could have given out my number.

My house from a satelite distance is not that dissimilar to OBLs in Pakistan, though much smaller but with high walls too.

I'm innocent, but the heroes of the Navy Seals could easily land on my roof tonight and kill me.

And nobody the world over, and especially this tiny forum, would give a flying fxxk,

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Calm down dear, you're starting to sound like a real drama queen. ;)

I'm sure the only thing you need to worry about landing on your roof is the odd stork or two, or at the worst a frozen block of poo from a passing jumbo :blink:.

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You're right as it goes, I was going to call you a dickhead but that would be too obvious and name calling really is stupid.

What worries me is that you don't seem to understand the discussion. iI I can jog your memory, it's about bin Laden, not insulting members who post comments you may not understand.

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Yes, back on topic please and lets keep it clean :);)

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My humblest apologies, I presumed the mention of Navy Seals landing on your roof and killing you, was a light hearted tongue in cheek remark, and so replied likewise including a smiley.
However if you were quite serious about it, then maybe its best I make no further comment and leave you to seek professional advice regarding securing your property against such attacks.

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If they are going to off him, they will probably come disguised as a looky looky man or a carpet salesman, I guess.

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Well Osama might have got the sh!tty end of the stick this time, but Obama seems to be milking it for all its worth with a big publicity do arranged for his trip to ground zero.
I can't remember the last time a US Pres. earned himself so many brownie points in just one shot .

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Remember Bush flying out to celebrate 'Victory in Iraq' ?

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Having been impolite earlier on, which I apologise for, I'm back again. It's an emotive subject that affects us all.

You can't dismiss the crusade aspect, it's been with us for hundreds of years. Christianity versus Islam, a real problem affecting the whole world.

It won't end with OBL's death, on a much larger canvas, it's an irrelevance. It's a conflict between two bestsellers, the respective bibles - they have some similarities, a prophet sent to earth to re-educate the plebs, but the re-education causes the problems.

We don't respect them, and they want to kill us because of it.

The solution? There isn't one.

(And if the Seals come for me, I will be armed - I've got a baseball bat hanging up behind the door).

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Islam is an immature religion. When xtianity was 500 years younger we were still burning people alive.

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Islam and and sharia law has no place in the Western world ,If I started a new cult with the same views I`d be locked up for hate crimes at the very least.

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Does any religion have a place in the western (modern) world?

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Yeah, but as I say, look where xtianity was 500 years ago.....

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I dont have a problem with any religion so long as it dose interfer or affect my life, islam dose.

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How does it affect you?
I understand extremism does, but that equally applies too most if not all other religions.

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I agree with Rotor and would say it affects almost everyones life in the Western world.
Not very difficult to figure out if you think about it.

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yes, but 500 years ago the whole world was living the same way basically. the same brutality was everywhere, but some countries still preserve the brutality.

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Too difficult for me though.
Please enlighten me with some facts.

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I`d guess your looking for an argument but I dont care,here are just a few things that *iss me of about islam...


Most muslims despise western culture but choose to live in it ,if the year was 1940 many would be classed as traitors /guilty of treason ,one reason burning the Union Jack at soldiers funerals .Fact

Westerners lives are constantly disrupted due to muslim nutters from security checks to outright murder.Fact

Islam eats away at British culture trying to change it to their own ends , its goal is the islamification of the western world ,Fact.
Go to an islamic state and open a christian church , you be dead in hours ,so much for live and let live,

I could go on for hours about the treatment of women ,brain washing kids etc but have better things to do .

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Well, we have never been stopped by taking perfume, a drink etc, through the airport security because the Baptists are kicking off.

And I dont think the reason that we have to take our shoes off, is because the Jehovahs witnesses have called a WI-had againt the west.

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Nice one JLFS. :rofl:

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Brilliant:thumbup:

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Religion is basically a way for parasites to have a cushy life at the expense of the people they order around. It stifles critical reasoning, and for that reason alone I would happily see it disappear.

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Religion isn't going to disappear, it rules our lives, whether we live in Pakistan or Spain. A lot of it makes sense, without it we'd be back to clubbing people outside our caves, to eat them.

People complain about religions, rattling on about freedom, without thinking it through. Anarchy is a beautiful ideology, based on Darwin's thoughts, the ultimate freedom; for everyone without laws, the true survival of the fittest.

It wouldn't do you much good if you're sitting in your little finca, at peace with the world, when a gang of gippos walk in.

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My understanding of the Anarchists way was more to do with responsibility for your own actions, rather than a life of chaos.

The majority of religion doesn't make sense, and sadly, they never seem too interested in actually sticking to the good bits.

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Well said!
:thumbsup:

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Sorry, but I remain unenlightened with the answers that are to me no more than a rant against terrorism/extremism in the name of religion and not about the religion itself.

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If Islam didn't exist, then there wouldn't be any terrorism/extremism in its name.

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If Islam didn't exist there might be something worse.

I have nothing against secular muslims, like secular christians they don't bother others and have a more tolerant attitude to the rest of us.

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So are you saying that Terrorism/extremisim in the name of religion and the religion itself are not connected?

Because in my book they are.

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:thumbup:

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I do not see how flying planes into buildings etc.killing thousands of innocent people of all denominations can be seen as connected to a religion. It is terrorism pure and simple. The terrorists may claim its in the name of religion but to me its not.
The vast majority of muslims (and christians come to that) do not see their religion as anything other than peaceful and can co-exist with other religions without problems as Bil pointed out in an earlier post.
Yes there are fanatics (nutters to me) in all religions but they do not represent the majority and a religion cannot be judged against this.

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Look at the laws in the Islamic countries, thay are guided by what is in their holy book. (literally)

When I see thousands protesting and threatening to kill those that inslut Islam, ie the Danish cartoonist, I notice that not all look like young hooligans and radical types, there are usually a large number of women, older people and children protesting.

If they think that the drawing of a cartoon should be punishable by death, in the name of their religion, the folks that fly planes into buildings and such are only taking it a step further.

The seeds are already there, the martyrdom is already promised to them for defending Islam, that is why when the twin towers were blown up, there were celebrations, and jubilation on the streets.

As death to infidels in already programmed into the religion from the start, converts out of Islam are put to death.

If you cant see that, it is because you dont want to.

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First off, what is a religion? It is basically the cult of personality carried to extremes.

Fundamentalist religious people are no different to those who stoked the ovens at Auschwitz, or those who tortured and killed in the names of Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, or whoever.

Religion is a path that all to easily leads to extremes.

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Muslims and the politically correct always talk about islam being a religion of peace. Not sure where they get that from. Musllim religion is all tied up with politics and the therefore brings it in conflict with day to day life of any non-muslim. I don't like the way they treat their women, the way they kill their animals or their fondness for beheading people with a rusty blunt saw if they are offended. They are winning too, soon everyone will be afraid to stand up and be counted:(

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Bad isnt it? and as you say will get worse.

It is no good trying to impose our views on muslim countries, it wont work, but the leaders of non mulim countries should at least rule their own without fear of offending, whick sadly does not seem to be the case.
:thumbdown::thumbdown::thumbdown:

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Yes they are winning!

In the small town in the north of England where I used to live, we were not allowed to have Christmas decorations and the nativity scene in the town centre that had always been there over the Christmas season.
The reason for that was....they might offend the muslims, the truly shocking thing about that is that the centre of town was and still is always decorated for the the muslim festival "Eid al-Adha" (the Festival of Sacrifice), but we the indigenous population have not to be offended by that!

I worked for local government there, we had to go on training days to (not to put too fine a point on it) learn how to treat muslims better than Christians, down to the last man and woman I can assure you... we all were very much offended by the very idea of that!

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When they finally succeed in destroying the West they will find themselves living in the culture they moved west to avoid. Pratts.

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Yes but just who's fault was that PC garbage ?

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Spot on.