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perhaps you were just having a bad day with the keyboard - don't worry about it too much.

after all I am also allowed to be a bit tongue in cheek with the "But they obey the laws" bit. It matters not which country you go to, there are always people who will break laws, surely thats why they are there - to be broken, otherwise why does everyone spend so much money on police forces.?

perhaps in the jungles of Amazon or Borneo there are people who have no word for theft, or murder - but they will have a word for retribution and no police force.

gn

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well thanks for that reminder Fred, considering that is is a peaceful religion it seems the only way it can promote its "benefits" is by force.
and there was me thinking that it was only Christianity that caused wars, but even that isnt true, because they were mostly in defence of the religion and men of god were seen as men of peace. I don't think there is a time where war was started to force the religion onto people, just in its defence.

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as Mohammed claimed to have been visited by the Angel Gabriel in 612 he isnt that far behind the earlier Christians, and he had knowledge of Christianity and saw the Christian prophets (and understood Jesus to be one) as part of his own beliefs, I cannot understand why there is all the animosity with what is essentially a sect of the Christian faith in the same way as the Lutherans, Methodists and Congregationalists.
Islam is much older than Sikhism which is only a little over 500 years old.

burning alive of heretics who wished to translate the Bible from the Latin to English was seen as bringing it to the people and circumventing the stranglehold the Holy Roman Catholic Church had on the religion.

but then there was also a time when only those who had studied divinity at university were allowed to practice astronomy.

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It´s great that the day appears to have passed without any nasty events.

Graham

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Religious movements, including ours, are the biggest warmongers this world has ever seen and whilever there are such gullible people there will be no change.

Graham

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Agreed but maybe the terrorists are using a different calendar

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I thought it was pretty nasty (no, downright disgusting) when I watched BBC news last night and saw a group of militant Islamists protesting in Grosvenor Square at the same time the memorial service for the British victims of 9/11 was taking place - carrying placards saying 'Islam will dominate the world' and American flags with 8.46 painted on them, which they then burnt.

These people are abusing Britain's traditions of tolerance and free speech and I think it is outrageous that this was allowed to go on. Is there not still an offence of conduct likely to cause a breach of the peace in the UK?

I have no objection to people being able to follow their religion of choice (although I personally have no religious belief) but the law of whatever country they are living should always take precedence over any religious or cultural practices, whatever they may be.

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or are waiting for everyone to sit back, give a big sigh, and think they won't dare !

that the incident(s) of 9/11 were so well planned, were so successful, why haven't they been able to do it again ?
not necessarily in the much hated US of A but in other countries around the world who support the US.
the incidents that have occurred, i.e. the London bombings on tube and bus, were horrific but quite small beer in comparison, and from the information that has been in the public domain, poorly planned and executed.

regrettably, without shutting down society to live in fear of every knock at the door, extremists will always be able to find chinks in the armour that society uses to protect itself.
having just watched what at times was a rather confusing plot in the film Vantage Point things planned from within can stand better chance of success.

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Well said !
and ISTR one or two people called me racist here when I protested at such abuse of our home country's openness and friendliness.

yes the intelligence machinery will have their faces marked out, but in the meantime are they in receipt of benefits? if so these should be stopped, but then it will be said their families will suffer so the fluffy bunnies will ensure this doesn't happen. everyone should pay for the consequences of their actions.
when letting off bombs in London, did the bombers think "I shouldnt do this just yet, this person has a family?" No, but AFAIK the families of said bombers are in receipt of benefits.

we are from a country, a society, that is too soft - enabling such people to do such things with impunity. Any efforts to tighten up or stop them will be met with cries of Racism! which frightens people off faster than anything.

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Totally agree with you. We do not have UK television so were not aware of this.

Rosemary

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They shouted insults throughout the 2 mins silence. Nothing like a bit of flag burning too. If anyone had come along and burnt the koran they would have found a law to arrest them:rolleyes:

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why don't they go to the US and make their feelings known ?
;)

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The crusades left a real scar on the Islamic world equating westeners as crusaders. The crusaders were butchers who slaughtered everything in their way, and the joke was it was reckoned that they killed more christians than any other group.

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that is where the law is an ass, in fact a one sided ass

I would imagine the BNP & EDL were refused permission to hold a counter protest.:rolleyes:

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unless you finish that time machine of yours we will never find out bil.
too much of it is mired in confusion, obfuscation, and falsification.

would be interesting to see what the Pope's private private library contains.