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We all know these nice people are only coming to the UK for the lovely weather currently being experienced (well in the mid and southern half).
I think it is a slur on their integrity to call them "economic migrants" or "benefit tourists"

ISTR admitted reports that when the Poles came flooding into the UK to work they were allowed to claim child benefit and other allowances for wives and children back in Poland. There was no requirement for them to move to the uk. Then there's all those who have to "visit relatives" in the Uk when they know they have a medical problem - such as the wealthy Nigerian woman having a multiple birth that has cost the NHS around £500k.

If the UK's benefits system is being used as a defacto default line then surely all other EU countries should be forced to step to that line. Or maintain UK Nationals in the manner to which they have become acccustomed.
As If !!

(sits back and awaits the flak)

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Not exactly fair when there are 50,000 Spaniards living in the UK and up to 1 million Brits in Spain (although officially only 350,000). If Spanish benefits were as good as the UK, then I think half of the UK would end up in Spain :)

If you think benefits in Britain are too generous then lobby your MP or vote for a party who will abolish a lot of them. It is a democracy after all

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It is the system that is at fault.
As with most things in life it is a small minority that spoil it for the rest.
Life in the UK is not like the Jeremy Kyle show at all. Most on benefits are grateful for the support at a time when they are struggling and are far from living the life of Riley.
There are 2,000,000 unemployed and 500,000 job vacancies, whose fault is that?

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I have nothing against UK benefits but I am amazed about how much people moan about them

Maybe it is because the odd story about a recent immigrant on benefits is an easy story for nasty newspapers. I suggest people stop reading them and concentrate on something more positive

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like posting on BE ??

do you realise how much money is earned by people who specialise in helping iimmigrants to obtain the maximum possible out of "the system", who represent them in court funded out of public funds, who make a living out of becoming lifetime experts on the provision of services, multicultural expectations, translated literature in 12 languages. Most of whom are lost when asked the rights of the indigenous minority and start the conversation as to what an immigrant is entitled to.
Met them, worked with (and against) them.
There is a whole sub-culture out there supporting this that is not open to a UK citizen.
We could get rid of the whole lot of the them and save £millions - but they would then be entitled to JSA .;)

many people moan about UK benefits because they can't get them, but when they are told their daughter with young child has to stay living in the box room because all other accommodation has been allocated to immigrants who are coming to the city............:curse:


enjoy

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I agree it is frustrating, but maybe those people are homeless, whereas your daughter is not.

I'm not saying it is fair how they allocate, but they do it based on need and if you have a roof over your head you are not as much in need as someone with nowhere.

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Or what about when your daughter cant buy a house because immigrants have come in and pushed up the price of housing in your local area?

You cant moan about one without the other. Maybe you should kick yourself out of Granada and give your house up to a needy "indigenous" young person?

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perhaps you are right, after all we have been renting now for over 2 years, keeping local accommodation from local people, the BH is fully employed under Spanish contract doing a job that could be filled by a local person.
(in a country having over 500,000 empty\incomplete properties)

we took our dog out to Spain but that was totally wrong as there are plenty of Spanish dogs that we could have given a home to.

We shop in Spanish shops taking the food away from the locals, when really we should be shopping in shops that import expensive English products

We buy our bottled water from Spanish sources, taking the sustenance from poor locals when we should be importing our own.

We buy our petrol from Spanish filling stations, when really we should be importing our own rather than using up the supplies poor Spanish people could be using.

We have our telephone\broadband from a Spanish provider, taking bandwidth from Spanish locals who desperately need it.

We used a Spanish gestor, taking up valuable time that would have been better spent on advising a Spanish local - after all there are English legal people just 80k down the road in Malaga.

perhaps I may be able to put up a tent on the beach near Matagorda, although I must make sure I don't take up space that could be used by a Moroc or Spaniard who would be more needy than myself.

my Uk home is on the market but the only offers have been Asian buy-to-let operators wishing to add to their portfolio's at 30% discount at what is already a good price. Perhaps I should sell to one of them because they are more needy than I am.
(any idea why the biggest growth in new mortgages is for buy-to-let properties ???)

how many poor Spaniards you are denying accommodation, food, water and other services.

So please remind me why you are so sanctimonious ? ?

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:rofl:

You don't get it do you? I was using a similarly rediculous argument to try and get you to see how rediculous your point is.

I am for open borders as I am grateful that I was able to choose to live in Spain. While here I've made the most of the private and government services. If people want to risk life and limb to live in Spain or the UK, then that is up to them.

You can't blame people for actually complying with the UK benefits procedures. If the law is an ass then get it changed!

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I am not blaming people for actually complying with the UK Benefits procedures, I am blaming people from outside the UK trying to force the UK to extend those benefits to people who do not have what would appear to be any right, whilst behind them are countries doing exactly the same thing.

One of the most common statements on this forum is
"In Spain if you don't pay in you can't get out" (or similar)
but seems rather one sided to me.

For your information I will repeat what I said
"If the UK's benefits system is being used as a defacto default line then surely all other EU countries should be forced to step to that line. Or maintain UK Nationals in the manner to which they have become acccustomed.
As If !!"

anyway, I will add you to my Christmas List, as you are so desititute you cannot afford a dictionary, even the one that comes with this site...

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Are they? The rules are very straight forward. You have to give EU nationals what UK nationals are entitled to. Same in Spain, you have to give EU nationals what Spanish nationals are entitled to.

Seems very fair and straight forward to me. Lobby the UK to pull out of the EU if you like, but then you'd probably have to cut short your time in Spain.

It's funny how people always pull up the odd typo. I shouldnt really use this site as much as I do as I cant afford the time, so I compromise on the spell checks :)

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Our benefit system in the UK has been skewed for many years; it is riddled with unfairness and wide open to benefit cheats. We've got the gippos at Basildon, the Muslims with five wives and Poles galore sending their child benefit home to their children in Poland.

Along with that we've got our own, expert benefit cheats, millions of them, born and bred in the UK.

There are so many claimants that no political party can take them on; if they declared their intention to stop the majority of benefits, they would never get elected. Blair got re=elected twice by increasing benefits, it's a vote winner.

Today, they've started sacking our sailors. I would have preferred if they'd sent the gippos back to Ireland, but I'm a lone voice in the wilderness.

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Yeah clever move, make trouble and enemies all over the world then leave yourself wide open. You couldn't make it up what this lot are doing.

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The old saying that patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel should perhaps be changed by replacing pedantism for patriotism.;)
Still some people are incapable of understanding the obvious.

Graham

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Ah but the politicians still believe the world loves us.

Graham