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Neptuno Feb 22nd 2014 12:12 am

Re: Bad neighbor!
 

Originally Posted by Biffta (Post 11140645)
Always surprises me and some friends that visit, that a supposed 'safer' and less crime ridden country like Spain compared to the UK has houses surrounded by high walls, guard dogs and bars over its windows!
The are genuinely shocked as to why they're deemed necessary.

Believe me, those high walls, numerous locks and bars on windows and doors are essential. Expats are perceived to be rich, and therefore a target .
No way could you go out and leave your doors unlocked here;if you do, you must be very gullible and naive.
Any noise which is intrusive and constant should not be expected or tolerated. I sympathise with the poster who endures constant drilling etc; For 10 years we have had to put up with constant angle grinding from a property where the wealthy owner is continually "improving" his dwelling;not wanting or willing to pay out for a proper company to do it, her friend is doing it on his own.A pleasant sunny day is ruined by noise and dust;no use talking to these people.Perhaps Nick could get more neighbours onside and take some legal action.

Relampago Feb 23rd 2014 11:56 pm

Re: Bad neighbor!
 

Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 11139808)
Noisy dogs certainly can be a problem in the UK, though in my experience nothing like as common as in Spain where it is much more common practice for large, fearsome noisy dogs to be used to guard properties.

Although it is not always a simple, speedy process, in the UK the authorities will act to put an end to the problem, once it is clearly proven.

I have not heard of similar preventative action being common practice in Spain, if it happens at all, though others may have more information on this ?

I don't know what are the measures in the UK, because I have not had this experience, is to say noisy dogs, but I know it is something that can be denounced. I know, that in the case of bars, pubs or noisy discos, etc etc, even has been sealed

And when I said that this problem could to be in any country, I meant bad neighbors, no noisy dogs

amideislas Feb 24th 2014 12:26 am

Re: Bad neighbor!
 

Originally Posted by NickReve (Post 11137465)
Hi all
I have a neighbor who has several dogs. The dogs bark all the time, even in the middle of the night. This is of course very disturbing. Another thing is, the dog poop. They don't clean this right away and it's there for us to see. This is really disgusting. Please tell me what to do. Any body has had this problem and if yes, how you deal with it. It doesn't help to talk to them. I have tried. They don't even take the dogs out. They are always in the garden. I appreciate all the help. Thanks!

I've avoided this thread so far... but against my better judgement, I can say is that urban living carries certain irritations wherever you live.

I also can't stand barking dogs outside my bedroom window, and poop all over the place, which is one of the reasons we choose to live in the country, away from neighbours.

Having said that, we lived in suburban Germany for more years than I'd like to admit to, and when that kind of thing happens there, if you are the perpetrator, you can expect the police at your door within the first day, and a court order to silence the dogs and clean up the poop if it continues.

And once you've set the precedent, even if you silence the dogs and clean up the poop, you will be "blacklisted" by the entire neighbourhood for your entire tenure there, and the police will called to your door for any petty violation of anything - parking at a slight angle, not having your rubbish sorted in the proper order, having friends over for dinner and drinks on the terrace after 22:01, kids bouncing a ball...

Admittedly, I really hated that petty mentality, and is at least part of the reason for moving away from there, but at least it's rare to have that problem there.

So, on one hand, I agree it's really shitty to have to put up with it, and only adds insult to injury when they ignore you, but on the other hand, the other extreme isn't all that desirable either.

If you can't resolve it, move to the country. It's a lot cheaper anyway.

cricketman Feb 24th 2014 12:34 am

Re: Bad neighbor!
 

Originally Posted by amideislas (Post 11145429)

If you can't resolve it, move to the country. It's a lot cheaper anyway.

In my experience, you are much more likely to have barking dogs in the country than in the city

And then there is the smell from the cows and pigs...

Depends on your exact location of course

jackytoo Feb 24th 2014 12:37 am

Re: Bad neighbor!
 

Originally Posted by amideislas (Post 11145429)

If you can't resolve it, move to the country. It's a lot cheaper anyway.

That may work on your Island but inland from Malaga the campo can be noisier re. Barking dogs. Many of the Fincas are only occupied at weekends but they leave dogs there, some a whole pack of them.:frown:

amideislas Feb 24th 2014 1:16 am

Re: Bad neighbor!
 

Originally Posted by cricketman (Post 11145452)
In my experience, you are much more likely to have barking dogs in the country than in the city

And then there is the smell from the cows and pigs...

Depends on your exact location of course

Not where we live, but I agree with your assessment - although in my case it's the exception rather than the norm.

Still, I were looking for a place in the country to get away from noisy neighbours, then neighbours with dogs would be one of the first things I'd detect.

megmet Feb 24th 2014 3:58 am

Re: Bad neighbor!
 

Originally Posted by aggboloke (Post 11141263)

other solution is poison for the dogs in area where your neighbor walk out with dogs.

Absolutely totally illegal to do that, and very dangerous for both other animals and children, it's a barbaric solution.

IamStu Feb 24th 2014 11:18 pm

Re: Bad neighbor!
 

Originally Posted by NickReve (Post 11140893)
They live there all the time and yes, I don't understand it either how they manage the overwhelming smell. I'm considering a legal advice from my lawyer. I'm sure this isn't legal and needs to stop one day. I just hoped some one has experienced it here and could give me some good advice!

Hi Nick,
Apparently the same laws apply here ref noise polution as they do in the UK.
I believe it´s law for your neighbours to control their dogs past 11pm ... though I´m not 100% on that.
We had some Spanish people move in near us. The contract states maximum 2 dogs but these guys had 5!
They also left them outside so would be barking into the early hours of the morning.
Another neighbour politely asked them to quell the noise but the response was something along the lines of "I´m Spanish .. get used to it!!!"
The next route was to approach the letting company for allowing tennants to breach the contract. The response from them was "well we didn´t know they had 5 dogs!!!"
So finally, one very late evening the Police were called for the noise polution. The problem stopped as the dogs were taken inside from that point.
It still doesn´t stop the sound of the nearby campo dogs, goats and the cockerel but hey, life isn´t perfect.
As for the overwhelming smell, I´m inclined to think there might be a mild exaggeration on your part there?
Perhaps if you tackle the noise whithout coming across as a Victor Meldew, the problem will be fixed by default?

cricketman Feb 24th 2014 11:34 pm

Re: Bad neighbor!
 

Originally Posted by IamStu (Post 11147341)
Another neighbour politely asked them to quell the noise but the response was something along the lines of "I´m Spanish .. get used to it!!!"

I guess you don't speak Spanish then?

When I lived in Benalmadena Pueblo I had a problem with British neighbours making noise into the early hours. We would call the police and they always came within 20 minutes.

The neighbours said we shouldnt live in Spain if we didnt want to party all night (idiots).

They would also deliberately rev their car at siesta time which ended up with them Fing and blinding at the Morrocan neighbours calling them "F**ing Spics" which tells you everything about some of British people you can come across in that part of the world.

In my experience Spaniards are pretty quiet and respectful. It is the holidaymakers you have problems with, of all nationalities

My response to them was that if they wanted to holiday into the early hours then go to a nightclub, or next time stay at a hotel

jimenato Feb 24th 2014 11:55 pm

Re: Bad neighbor!
 

Originally Posted by cricketman (Post 11147359)
I guess you don't speak Spanish then?

When I lived in Benalmadena Pueblo I had a problem with British neighbours making noise into the early hours. We would call the police and they always came within 20 minutes.

The neighbours said we shouldnt live in Spain if we didnt want to party all night (idiots).

They would also deliberately rev their car at siesta time which ended up with them Fing and blinding at the Morrocan neighbours calling them "F**ing Spics" which tells you everything about some of British people you can come across in that part of the world.

In my experience Spaniards are pretty quiet and respectful. It is the holidaymakers you have problems with, of all nationalities

My response to them was that if they wanted to holiday into the early hours then go to a nightclub, or next time stay at a hotel

The Spanish - quiet??? I sometimes wonder about just how much experience of Spain you have!

Their motos are noisy, their bars are noisy. Their fiestas are noisy and the enormous bass speakers in the boot are noisy. Here in the village their dogs are noisy barking endlessly through the night - and they are noisy as they make their way home or to school/work in the morning. Have you ever been near a botellon where they all tune their car radios to the same station? :eek: There is a great bar here which is quiet a lot of the time but you don't want to live within 1/2 kilometre of it at 4am at fiesta time.

I love them - but they are noisy.

cricketman Feb 25th 2014 12:03 am

Re: Bad neighbor!
 

Originally Posted by jimenato (Post 11147390)
The Spanish - quiet??? I sometimes wonder about just how much experience of Spain you have!

Their motos are noisy, their bars are noisy. Their fiestas are noisy and the enormous bass speakers in the boot are noisy. Here in the village their dogs are noisy barking endlessly through the night - and they are noisy as they make their way home or to school/work in the morning. Have you ever been near a botellon where they all tune their car radios to the same station? :eek: There is a great bar here which is quiet a lot of the time but you don't want to live within 1/2 kilometre of it at 4am at fiesta time.

I love them - but they are noisy.

Andalucians are noisier that Catalans and Asturians for sure

IamStu Feb 25th 2014 12:04 am

Re: Bad neighbor!
 

Originally Posted by cricketman (Post 11147359)
I guess you don't speak Spanish then?

When I lived in Benalmadena Pueblo I had a problem with British neighbours making noise into the early hours. We would call the police and they always came within 20 minutes.

The neighbours said we shouldnt live in Spain if we didnt want to party all night (idiots).

They would also deliberately rev their car at siesta time which ended up with them Fing and blinding at the Morrocan neighbours calling them "F**ing Spics" which tells you everything about some of British people you can come across in that part of the world.

In my experience Spaniards are pretty quiet and respectful. It is the holidaymakers you have problems with, of all nationalities

My response to them was that if they wanted to holiday into the early hours then go to a nightclub, or next time stay at a hotel

Interesting comment CM.
I speak a level of Spanish and my wife is Spanish.
Quite what that has to do with anything is anyone´s guess...satisfied with the point scoring are you?
Besides, "another neighbour" approached the nuisance. So is it fair for me to say, I guess you don´t read then?

scrubbedexpat095 Feb 25th 2014 12:32 am

Re: Bad neighbor!
 

Originally Posted by jimenato (Post 11147390)
The Spanish - quiet??? I sometimes wonder about just how much experience of Spain you have!

Their motos are noisy, their bars are noisy. Their fiestas are noisy and the enormous bass speakers in the boot are noisy. Here in the village their dogs are noisy barking endlessly through the night - and they are noisy as they make their way home or to school/work in the morning. Have you ever been near a botellon where they all tune their car radios to the same station? :eek: There is a great bar here which is quiet a lot of the time but you don't want to live within 1/2 kilometre of it at 4am at fiesta time.

I love them - but they are noisy.

LOL yes you are so right !

cricketman Feb 25th 2014 12:48 am

Re: Bad neighbor!
 

Originally Posted by IamStu (Post 11147399)
Interesting comment CM.
I speak a level of Spanish and my wife is Spanish.
Quite what that has to do with anything is anyone´s guess...satisfied with the point scoring are you?
Besides, "another neighbour" approached the nuisance. So is it fair for me to say, I guess you don´t read then?

It was the "I'm Spanish, get used to it" quote that made me think that

In my 7 years here, we have only had a problem with British neighbours, who thought they were on a constant holiday (and then complained that our new born baby was crying)

No problems with Spanish neighbours at all. Always very friendly and respectful

IamStu Feb 25th 2014 12:57 am

Re: Bad neighbor!
 

Originally Posted by cricketman (Post 11147443)
It was the "I'm Spanish, get used to it" quote that made me think that

In my 7 years here, we have only had a problem with British neighbours, who thought they were on a constant holiday (and then complained that our new born baby was crying)

No problems with Spanish neighbours at all. Always very friendly and respectful

Oh okay...sorry for misunderstanding :o


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