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Old Sep 6th 2021, 12:53 pm
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Originally Posted by vincentayre View Post
So the first day you arrive the 180 starts ticking down and in that you are allowed 90 days. So if I wanted to spend the summer here I could come over for a few days at the beginning of January then come back in May use up the balance of my 90 to the end-ish of June go home for a week then come back first week of July start the 180 clock again and stay for 90 days until the end of September.

Right??
NO NO NO. Its a rolling 90 days.

See here its explained easily.

The 90/180 only works for those who want to stay in one bulk hit.
For people coming and going its a little bit more complicated.

https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/visa-calculator/

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Old Sep 6th 2021, 1:02 pm
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NO NO NO. Its a rolling 90 days.
That is exactly what I said, if you read to the end of the post! Does nobody take the time to read things properly any longer or am I just going mad?

Furthermore, it is not complicated at all.

You just need to keep track of when you will be in the EU and that is it....

But if you think it is going to be challenging to maintain such a record, you can turn to the 90 day Schengen apps you can get for your phone now...
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Old Sep 7th 2021, 12:05 pm
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Unbelievable how people are still struggling with 90/180 concept.
Just think, on present day, looking back 180 days, how many days have I been in EU.
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Old Sep 7th 2021, 12:13 pm
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And I think that a maximum of "3 months travel" or 90 days in 180 is going to be the limit in the EU for anyone from the UK, indefinitely!

There is idle chat that the EU/Spain might make special provision for the British.

No chance, when UK left the EU, it lost one of The Four Freedoms, freedom of movement!

Why would the EU possibly capitulate on this?

More chance of seeing a large pink elephant floating past your window!
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Old Sep 7th 2021, 1:30 pm
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I think, in particular, Spain and Portugal have an incentive to reach individual sovereign agreements with the UK in the future.
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Old Sep 7th 2021, 2:05 pm
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The 3 months or 90 day rule is a pan-Schengen rule.

So you are free to travel or stay at your house in the sun for 90 days in 180 and that is it!

The EU has a vested interest in protecting its integrity!

I simply believe that Expats expect they should be treated as a special case.


I'm not sure why you think that Spain or Portugal have any incentive to create a special excemption for Expats...

Many British have already sold up and left.

The influx of new British has been abruptly brought to a halt.

I now aware of any discussion at goverment level to amend the 3 month / 90 day limit...

Can you point me to any reference in the media which details discussions at government level to amend the 3 month / 90 day limit?
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Old Sep 7th 2021, 2:25 pm
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If any of the countries negotiated individually outside the schengen parameters then they would no doubt be given non schengen status meaning that their citizens would have to go through passport control instead of being waved through and the country would lose a lot of schengen based intelligence about illegals /criminals/terrorists I do not think any government in their right mind would want to do this so that a few drunken Brits can stay a bit longer
https://global.fm/news/brits-arreste...alaga-airport/
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Old Sep 7th 2021, 2:34 pm
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Quite....

Also, UK government loses revenue from all the pensioners who go off to the sun (Spain etc.) to live. Their pensions are going to the Spanish exchequer as opposed to the British exchequer...

Also, if they sell up or invest in property in Spain, again that is revenue to the Spanish exchequer as opposed to the British exchequer. Brits going abroad would tend to actually undermine the UK housing market, as it is taking cash buyers out of the system.

Finally, for any Brits who are actually resident in Spain, when they finally pop their clogs and the matters of their estate are sorted, again it is the Spanish exchequer that grabs the dosh in the form of taxes....

British government very clearly has a vested interest not to allow the 3 months / 90 day travel rule to be extended....

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Old Sep 7th 2021, 6:02 pm
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Quite....

Also, UK government loses revenue from all the pensioners who go off to the sun (Spain etc.) to live. Their pensions are going to the Spanish exchequer as opposed to the British exchequer...

Also, if they sell up or invest in property in Spain, again that is revenue to the Spanish exchequer as opposed to the British exchequer. Brits going abroad would tend to actually undermine the UK housing market, as it is taking cash buyers out of the system.

Finally, for any Brits who are actually resident in Spain, when they finally pop their clogs and the matters of their estate are sorted, again it is the Spanish exchequer that grabs the dosh in the form of taxes....

British government very clearly has a vested interest not to allow the 3 months / 90 day travel rule to be extended....
So when are we going to see the Spanish border control giving out penalties to British overstayers. All these new rules do is just encourage more people to be undocumented. The Spanish don’t seem to be doing anything about British nationals overstaying.
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Old Sep 7th 2021, 6:13 pm
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Not proactively, at the moment! Probably they are playing it very cool. I think the Spanish Police have enought to keep them busy without having to launch manhunts for pensions who have overstayed their welcome.

UK, is exactly the same and as I imagine every other country in Europe is. Lots of illegals who work in the black economy.

Going back a month ago I knew a girl from Columbia and she had applied for asylum. It was rejected with no chance of appeal and she was given 15 days to leave Spain. Notwthstanding, she is still here and who knows what she does to survive!

Pensioners have an income so don't need to go out to work, but anyone of working age from the UK and not resident, will fall foul this 90 day / 3 months travel limit.

Once you overstay your welcome, if you have a tangle with the law, or have to do any official business that when the **** hit the fan!

Also if you are chucked out for 90 day / 3 months travel limit, you're going to have bother getting back into the Shengen!
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Old Sep 8th 2021, 2:41 am
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As a proportion of the whole numbers of so called 'Swallows' who want to stay for over 90 days are miniscule and not worthy of either side championing a case for.

In any case even if they are now limited to 90 days in 180 it's highly likely that the majority will still come for that - maybe even making two trips instead of one - so the potential loss to Spain won't amount to a hill of beans.

Contrary to their oft trotted out mantra of 'Spain needs our money' no it doesn't. Would they like it yes for sure, but do they need it, no!
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Old Sep 8th 2021, 5:12 am
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Originally Posted by agree_to_disagree View Post
Not proactively, at the moment! Probably they are playing it very cool. I think the Spanish Police have enought to keep them busy without having to launch manhunts for pensions who have overstayed their welcome.

UK, is exactly the same and as I imagine every other country in Europe is. Lots of illegals who work in the black economy.

Going back a month ago I knew a girl from Columbia and she had applied for asylum. It was rejected with no chance of appeal and she was given 15 days to leave Spain. Notwthstanding, she is still here and who knows what she does to survive!

Pensioners have an income so don't need to go out to work, but anyone of working age from the UK and not resident, will fall foul this 90 day / 3 months travel limit.

Once you overstay your welcome, if you have a tangle with the law, or have to do any official business that when the **** hit the fan!

Also if you are chucked out for 90 day / 3 months travel limit, you're going to have bother getting back into the Shengen!
It has to be a really serious incident with Spanish law enforcement to get chucked out. Only person I know who has been expelled from Spain was an idiot that had been shot in Marbella , been arrested on other serious charges and kept on being a Menace to society. It was only when the UK police issued a warrant for an offence in England that the Spanish police grabbed him and kicked him out. I know other blatant overstayers that have had run ins with Spanish police and they don’t give a monkeys about 90 day visas.It’s all very strange what is going on. I even heard of British nationals without residency in Catalonia that are sending their kids to school. Brexit has not put British nationals off from living in Spain.
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Old Sep 8th 2021, 7:33 am
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The inescapable fact is due to brexit now the 90 days / 3 months travel limit applies and thereafter the British are illegals in the Schengen area and could be subject to summary deportation!
As they are now 'illegals', who have overstayed their welcome, their rights are severely erroded.
Not a very comfortable reality...
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Originally Posted by agree_to_disagree View Post
The inescapable fact is due to brexit now the 90 days / 3 months travel limit applies and thereafter the British are illegals in the Schengen area and could be subject to summary deportation!
As they are now 'illegals', who have overstayed their welcome, their rights are severely erroded.
Not a very comfortable reality...
i agree that their rights have severely eroded, but Spain has always been a haven for illegals.
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Old Sep 8th 2021, 9:23 am
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Aaaand, another thread derailed.
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