Originally Posted by bil (Post 8993900)

Figure of speach dude, figure of speach.

I don't mind veggos who do it because they just can't bear the thought of something being killed to give them a burger or whatever.

Sadly tho I think many do so as an attention getting trick. 'Oooo, look at me, I'm special.'

Those who eat fish and claim to be veggos are fricking hypocrites, and those who lay claim to doing it on moral grounds are laying themselves open to serious, justified criticism.

After all, the vegetables they eat are only there because someone else killed all the rabbits, birds and other vermin that would have eaten it long before it could have been got to the plate.

Morals are a black and white thing, which is why I despise things done for moral reasons. If it is morally incorrect to kill a cow, then it's morally wrong to swat a fly or kill a rat.

Animals that are to be used as food should be granted the best life possible and killed as humanely as possible. Anything else is wrong, wrong, wrong.

Originally Posted by angiescarr (Post 8993927)

I balance OHs vegetarianism by happily chomping on anything that once lived having first removed it's eyes and anything coiled up or wrinkly (Giblets brains testicles...You know the kind of thing). He looks healthy and has perfect teeth. Used to eat too many sweeties but now behaves much better and has dropped two stones as I gained them.
He doesn't eat meat because he thinks it's over expensive and dangerous. I don't see him as caring about fluffy bunnies. There's nothing he loves more than watching HF Whittingstall chopping up pigeons and selling them to the middle class Farmers-market goers;-)

Up here in the Sierra the place is ecologically balanced by the fact humans keep pigs to feast from the Acorns of the cork oak, and produce the best Jamon ever. If it weren't for the value of the pigs back legs they wouldn't survive as a species. And neither would the locals The pigs live happy lives.... and are delicious!

Originally Posted by bil (Post 8993900)

Figure of speach dude, figure of speach.

I don't mind veggos who do it because they just can't bear the thought of something being killed to give them a burger or whatever.

Sadly tho I think many do so as an attention getting trick. 'Oooo, look at me, I'm special.'

Those who eat fish and claim to be veggos are fricking hypocrites, and those who lay claim to doing it on moral grounds are laying themselves open to serious, justified criticism.

After all, the vegetables they eat are only there because someone else killed all the rabbits, birds and other vermin that would have eaten it long before it could have been got to the plate.

Morals are a black and white thing, which is why I despise things done for moral reasons. If it is morally incorrect to kill a cow, then it's morally wrong to swat a fly or kill a rat.

Animals that are to be used as food should be granted the best life possible and killed as humanely as possible. Anything else is wrong, wrong, wrong.

Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 8993928)

Yeh,..and what about all those hundreds, nay thousands of poor innocent flies you've swatted and murdered in cold blood over the years ?

Afraid there's just no hope for you Bil. :ohmy:

Originally Posted by HBG (Post 8993945)

If you take the wider view, you’re about half-right. I agree about the fish eaters, they are hypocrites.

I take it back to the caves and don’t agree that we’ve advanced all that much since then. We’ve split the atom, but we still kill fellow human beings for no reason; we still drag the attractive females along by the hair and club them if they don’t comply, you can make that metaphorical if you like but the principle is the same.

The female analogy has distracted me, my line of reasoning has been destroyed, I dragged one such beautiful creature along by the hair and clubbed her (totally metaphorically of course) when I married my childhood sweetheart.

Five million years ago I would have done it unmetaphorically. (I didn’t think that would pass the spell check, but I can’t think of a better word).

Originally Posted by bil (Post 8994030)

Why only half right? If it is morally wrong to kill people, you can't say 'Blacks, jews, whatever don't count, it's open season on them.

Killing any sentient, aware creature is wrong (exceptions being self defence etc)

I don't buy into the idea that all animal life is sacred tho. As I say, if it is, then what about rats?

There is no realistic, commercial way that you can rear food without killing animals. So, if you say you mustn't eat kill animals to eat, isn't it also morally equivalent to say you mustn't kill animals in order to eat?

Originally Posted by rugbymatt (Post 8994050)

What the crap are you lot on about?

Originally Posted by HBG (Post 8994059)

I don't wish to be insulting, but it may be a bit beyond you.

Originally Posted by bil (Post 8994024)

I have a simple approach to this. I start off by flapping them away. If they take no notice, I will kill every one of the chitinous little feckers that comes near me. At that point, I enjoy killing them soooooo much, and start to treat it like an art form.

Originally Posted by bil (Post 8994024)

I have a simple approach to this. I start off by flapping them away. If they take no notice, I will kill every one of the chitinous little feckers that comes near me. At that point, I enjoy killing them soooooo much, and start to treat it like an art form.

Originally Posted by HBG (Post 8994059)

I don't wish to be insulting, but it may be a bit beyond you.