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Re: US School shooting
Originally Posted by Desert Dubliner
(Post 10441082)
Yeah and perhaps also ban the Toyota model he used to drive to the scene.
I thought for a moment that it was such a pity the shooter ended up dead. But then I remembered this was 'civilised' west and caught alive he would have ended up pampered in the cell with psychologist having endless discussions about his relationship with mum and all that costing the taxpayer millions. Or write letters complaining that his TV is taking up to 5 minutes to be switched on by guards like Breivik. Perhaps in the west it is better that shooters like that comit suicide at the end. I would much prefer the Middle East solution where he stays alive and spends weeks and months with balls connected to electrical power and rusty tools ending up lodged in various pats of his god damn body. |
Re: US School shooting
Originally Posted by OriginalSunshine
(Post 10441169)
Actually, I thought in the USA, those on death row basically lived in dog cages or similar. It's the USA, not Norway.
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Kinder Eggs are banned in the USA.
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Re: US School shooting
If someone or group is intent on killing they will find a way whether guns are available not. A knife would be the simplest way, a homemade bomb would certainly kill a lot more and turning an airplane into a missile...well, you get my point.
They should probably ban knives next. Here are 732 reasons why... http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/knifecrime |
Re: US School shooting
Originally Posted by Desert Dubliner
(Post 10441082)
Yeah and perhaps also ban the Toyota model he used to drive to the scene.
I thought for a moment that it was such a pity the shooter ended up dead. But then I remembered this was 'civilised' west and caught alive he would have ended up pampered in the cell with psychologist having endless discussions about his relationship with mum and all that costing the taxpayer millions. Or write letters complaining that his TV is taking up to 5 minutes to be switched on by guards like Breivik. Perhaps in the west it is better that shooters like that comit suicide at the end. I would much prefer the Middle East solution where he stays alive and spends weeks and months with balls connected to electrical power and rusty tools ending up lodged in various pats of his god damn body. A little bit more thinking and less reaction might help. Banning military grade weapons is not a bad idea...but long term they need to seriously look at the state of community mental health care in the US - these guns don't pick themselves up and start shooting. And without guns they would be in trucks, or using knives or home made bombs. Many day to day objects are lethal weapons... N. |
Re: US School shooting
Originally Posted by Meow
(Post 10439118)
Reports say that since this shooting gun sales have gone UP. :(
I fail to see why anyone needs to own an assult rifle or an semi/automatic weapon. Rifles for hunting or if you live in the wilds and are troubled by bears/coyotes/etc stealing your animals, but it's all gone too far. Interestingly, New York state has some of the stricted laws regarding gun ownership and possession. Violent crime in the city itself has reduced... Violent crime in the USA as a whole has been in decline since the 1990s. There are plenty of places in the states with very high gun ownership rates and low crime (lower than many parts of the UK). It has far more to do with cultural and socio-economic factors than simply restricting firearms. For example, in states with concealed carry permits street crimes have gone down. Rapes by strangers have gone down too. Places with high legal firearms rates have lower burglary rates in general. Places that enact and enforce strict training and storage of firearms (like we do in England - where we have literally hundreds of thousands of legal weapons, or Switzerland where most homes have military grade rifles by law) have lower crime and lower gun crime. In many parts of the US people keep guns to protect themselves and their homes from criminals who don't give a hoot about what guns are banned or not...in rich major cities (like New York) this is less a problem as there are more police at hand to protect citizens (along with a generally better educated population in the first place). That's not the case in small and medium size towns or poorer areas where it's a long drive to the nearest police station. The police in those places will often tell people to keep a gun at home because they can't be everywhere at once. It's not an easy debate, and I feel going after legal firearms training and storage legislation alongside more commitment to mental health care (and spotting the warning signs) will reduce gun deaths in the US far more than blanket bans. As mentioned, violent crime in the US has been going down for over a decade... N. |
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I kinda agree with Norm, the bigger issues lie with the failures in the system BEFORE this guy had a chance to act, I'm sure the vast majority of the 10k+ shooting in the US were not carried out by licensed weapon holders and there are a large number of factors at play.
After what happened in Norway you can throw stats out the window it seems. |
Re: US School shooting
Originally Posted by Norm_uk
(Post 10443150)
There are NRA members in both parties who support Assault rifle bans - I agree with them entirely. There are places you can go and shoot these guns but you can't take them home - that's how it should be. Home defense, sport shooting or hunting doesn't require heavy firepower. A 9mm will kill within 15m with just a few hours basic training.
Violent crime in the USA as a whole has been in decline since the 1990s. There are plenty of places in the states with very high gun ownership rates and low crime (lower than many parts of the UK). It has far more to do with cultural and socio-economic factors than simply restricting firearms. For example, in states with concealed carry permits street crimes have gone down. Rapes by strangers have gone down too. Places with high legal firearms rates have lower burglary rates in general. Places that enact and enforce strict training and storage of firearms (like we do in England - where we have literally hundreds of thousands of legal weapons, or Switzerland where most homes have military grade rifles by law) have lower crime and lower gun crime. In many parts of the US people keep guns to protect themselves and their homes from criminals who don't give a hoot about what guns are banned or not...in rich major cities (like New York) this is less a problem as there are more police at hand to protect citizens (along with a generally better educated population in the first place). That's not the case in small and medium size towns or poorer areas where it's a long drive to the nearest police station. The police in those places will often tell people to keep a gun at home because they can't be everywhere at once. It's not an easy debate, and I feel going after legal firearms training and storage legislation alongside more commitment to mental health care (and spotting the warning signs) will reduce gun deaths in the US far more than blanket bans. As mentioned, violent crime in the US has been going down for over a decade... N. |
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An interesting opinion piece in the New York Times today.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/20/op...cket.html?_r=0 "A few clicks on the N.R.A. Web site lead you to the type of weapons the group wants to protect from regulation. Many are not needed for hunting pheasants or deer. They are used for hunting people. They have firepower unimaginable to the founding fathers who drafted the Second Amendment, firepower that could wipe out an entire kindergarten classroom in a few minutes, as we saw so tragically last week." |
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I think Gug Law is one of the important topic which we will have to discusses on this.
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Re: US School shooting
Originally Posted by Meow
(Post 10439118)
Reports say that since this shooting gun sales have gone UP. :(
I fail to see why anyone needs to own an assult rifle or an semi/automatic weapon. Rifles for hunting or if you live in the wilds and are troubled by bears/coyotes/etc stealing your animals, but it's all gone too far. Interestingly, New York state has some of the stricted laws regarding gun ownership and possession. Violent crime in the city itself has reduced... |
Re: US School shooting
Originally Posted by OriginalSunshine
(Post 10441169)
Actually, I thought in the USA, those on death row basically lived in dog cages or similar. It's the USA, not Norway.
It's crazy the effects of a nice prison may have on criminals. New flat in a norwegian prison for families to enjoy some alone time. |
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