Originally Posted by Scamp (Post 10481438)

I enjoyed listening to old Dermot too. Although, despite his experience it is just still another bloke having his say (with some extra insight as you mention).

VK was unlucky, second leg was tucked up but his whole body was off the deck, he won the ball cleanly and I don't remember massive protests from the Arsenal players...still, if Mr Dean thinks that it's dangerous then he has to send him.

Wilshere has to be one of the most overrated young English players since Jenas. Stroppy, petulant little bellend.

Originally Posted by co durham boy (Post 10481525)

I disagree there mate . Wilshere could be a total footballer , he has the ability to go forward and run with the ball like the great Paul Gascoigne .

Players who take one touch then beat players in the middle of the park have the ability to be world beaters .

England will never ever progress without this type of player , every great side has one .

Originally Posted by Theseus (Post 10481478)

Waaaay too much use of the yellow card in that game - the first red was deserved the second one maybe not, however, from where the ref was it looked like a two footed tackle. Lots of silly tackling, Arsenal were awful. Didn't see too much diving, though the players signalling for a yellow card to the ref really annoys me.

Originally Posted by Scamp (Post 10481532)

That's the key bit. He isn't there yet, isn't consistent, hasn't learnt to control himself, hasn't mastered the role.

He could be mega, but so could I or Tom Hundredstone or Cleverley or Zaha. None are there yet.

Think it's English media hype a year or two too soon.

Originally Posted by co durham boy (Post 10481629)

Of course he isn't mate but i'll have him in my side ahead of Gareth Barry and his ilk .

Wilshere is a game winning player .

Originally Posted by co durham boy (Post 10481629)

Of course he isn't mate but i'll have him in my side ahead of Gareth Barry and his ilk .

Wilshere is a game winning player .

Originally Posted by Manchester_QS (Post 10481657)

Barry is what makes city tick. If you watch him week in week out like I do as a city fan then you see how important he is to us. If you only catch the highlights then you wont really know he even played. Yes he is slow but his reading of the play is exemplary.

I think it says a lot about how Barry is regarded by his fellow players that both David Silva and Sergio Aguero both named his as their player of the season for last season.

Originally Posted by mentalist (Post 10481587)

Nice to find a lady football fan who is more knowledgeable and can express herself more eloquently than most gents.:)

Originally Posted by co durham boy (Post 10481671)

Barry is a one trick pony , too slow and too predictable . He was horrific in the last World Cup . In the game against Germany Muller and Ozil and Co treated the boy to a midfield masterclass . He also has the turning circle of the Ark Royal .

We're talking about midfield players who can change and influence games , there's no doubt the boy does a job for City but he's ordinary .

Raise the bar...

Originally Posted by co durham boy (Post 10481629)

Wilshere is a game winning player .

Originally Posted by Manchester_QS (Post 10481683)

he wasn't fit at the World Cup.

I'm pretty sure he influenced the game against Reading last month when he scored a last minute winner. he allows the other players in the team to cause damage i.e. Silva

So let me get this right he does a job for the current Champions of England played in pretty much every game of that season yet he is ordinary??

Originally Posted by co durham boy (Post 10481695)

Yes he's ordinary , put your loyalties to one side mate .

Just another Premiership workhorse .

Originally Posted by co durham boy (Post 10481695)

Yes he's ordinary , put your loyalties to one side mate .

Just another Premiership workhorse .

Originally Posted by Manchester_QS (Post 10481700)

we will agree to disagree then! If you watched him week in week out you would see how important he is to us. You can't have a team of Silva's, Nasri's, Mata's etc. You need workhorses.

Originally Posted by Scamp (Post 10481710)

What about Milner?

I love him, but so many hate him.

Originally Posted by Manchester_QS (Post 10481720)

May sound like I have tinted glasses but Milner is a good player. He should get more game time than he does. Was MotM yesterday for me.

In the world cup he was played out of position and always covering for Johnson.

Rather than just sounding like I always praise City players that Dutch player united have isn't to bad.