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Someone on here will be disappointed!!
Smiths Star Morrissey Embroiled In 'Racism' Row
(Thursday November 29, 2007 11:27 AM) Singer Morrissey has sparked controversy by claiming British identity has disappeared because the country has been "flooded" by foreigners. The 48-year-old former Smiths star, whose parents were Irish immigrants, suggested that immigration was one of the reasons he would not move back to Britain. Morrissey, who has spent most of the last decade living in LA and Rome, told NME magazine that countries like Germany still had their own identity and complained of not hearing "British accents" on the streets. Asked whether he would move back to Britain, he said: "Britain's a terribly negative place. And it hammers people down and it pulls you back and it prevents you. "Also, with the issue of immigration, it's very difficult because although I don't have anything against people from other countries, the higher the influx into England the more the British identity disappears. "So the price is enormous. If you travel to Germany, it's still absolutely Germany. If you travel to Sweden, it still has a Swedish identity. But travel to England and you have no idea where you are. He added: "It matters because the British identity is very attractive. I grew up into it, and I find it quaint and very amusing. But England is a memory now." He agreed that immigration was enriching the British identity but added "you have to say goodbye to the Britain you once knew". In a follow-up phone interview, Morrissey told the magazine: "I just think that it could be construed that the reason I wouldn't wish to live in England is the immigration explosion. "And that's not true at all. I am actually extremely worldly and there are other reasons why I would find England very difficult, such as the expense and the pressure." He said: "My favourite actor is an Israeli, Lior Ashkenazi, and my favourite singer was born in Iraq and now lives in Egypt. So I'm not a part of Little Britain. And by that, I don't mean the show, obviously." Asked about his parents moving to Britain, he said: "It's different now. Because the gates are flooded. And anybody can have access to England and join in." Admitting that he would be "pilloried" for his comments, he added: "You can't say, 'Everybody come into my house, sit on the bed, have what you like, do what you like.' It wouldn't work." NME wrote: "Morrissey, the son of immigrants who has lived for most of the past decade in either LA or Rome, wants others to have the freedom to travel the world like him, but implies he would shut the gates to people coming to live in the UK. "He might once have been the voice of a generation, but given his comments in these two interviews, he's certainly not speaking for us now." |
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Originally Posted by Inselaffen
(Post 5613947)
Smiths Star Morrissey Embroiled In 'Racism' Row
(Thursday November 29, 2007 11:27 AM) Singer Morrissey has sparked controversy by claiming British identity has disappeared because the country has been "flooded" by foreigners. The 48-year-old former Smiths star, whose parents were Irish immigrants, suggested that immigration was one of the reasons he would not move back to Britain. Morrissey, who has spent most of the last decade living in LA and Rome, told NME magazine that countries like Germany still had their own identity and complained of not hearing "British accents" on the streets. Asked whether he would move back to Britain, he said: "Britain's a terribly negative place. And it hammers people down and it pulls you back and it prevents you. "Also, with the issue of immigration, it's very difficult because although I don't have anything against people from other countries, the higher the influx into England the more the British identity disappears. "So the price is enormous. If you travel to Germany, it's still absolutely Germany. If you travel to Sweden, it still has a Swedish identity. But travel to England and you have no idea where you are. He added: "It matters because the British identity is very attractive. I grew up into it, and I find it quaint and very amusing. But England is a memory now." He agreed that immigration was enriching the British identity but added "you have to say goodbye to the Britain you once knew". In a follow-up phone interview, Morrissey told the magazine: "I just think that it could be construed that the reason I wouldn't wish to live in England is the immigration explosion. "And that's not true at all. I am actually extremely worldly and there are other reasons why I would find England very difficult, such as the expense and the pressure." He said: "My favourite actor is an Israeli, Lior Ashkenazi, and my favourite singer was born in Iraq and now lives in Egypt. So I'm not a part of Little Britain. And by that, I don't mean the show, obviously." Asked about his parents moving to Britain, he said: "It's different now. Because the gates are flooded. And anybody can have access to England and join in." Admitting that he would be "pilloried" for his comments, he added: "You can't say, 'Everybody come into my house, sit on the bed, have what you like, do what you like.' It wouldn't work." NME wrote: "Morrissey, the son of immigrants who has lived for most of the past decade in either LA or Rome, wants others to have the freedom to travel the world like him, but implies he would shut the gates to people coming to live in the UK. "He might once have been the voice of a generation, but given his comments in these two interviews, he's certainly not speaking for us now." |
Re: Someone on here will be disappointed!!
he's one of those artist that only "cool" people from the 80's liked......not so cool now.....
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Re: Someone on here will be disappointed!!
oh dear MM aint gonna be happy when she sees this :(
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Re: Someone on here will be disappointed!!
well...he's been involved in this sort of row before when he released National Front Disco and had the England flag as the backdrop to the supporting tour...
to be honest, i take it with a pinch of salt, i don't for one minute believe the guy is racist...but NME has a bad track record with him so i'm sure it's been reported in a biased manor... whatever...i still sooo would, lol... MM, xx |
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Originally Posted by why
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he's one of those artist that only "cool" people from the 80's liked......not so cool now.....
MM, xx |
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Originally Posted by Madam Medusa
(Post 5614115)
well...he's been involved in this sort of row before when he released National Front Disco and had the England flag as the backdrop to the supporting tour...
to be honest, i take it with a pinch of salt, i don't for one minute believe the guy is racist...but NME has a bad track record with him so i'm sure it's been reported in a biased manor... whatever...i still sooo would, lol... MM, xx might make that threesome with young Lewis a bit more difficult to organise though |
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Originally Posted by Inselaffen
(Post 5614124)
well didnt think u liked him for his political views anyway.
might make that threesome with young Lewis a bit more difficult to organise though MM, xx |
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I have never been a Morrissey fan. His singing bores the life out of me.
The BBC news webiste says.... Morrissey insists on NME apology Morrissey denies his comments were racist Morrissey's lawyers have threatened legal action against the NME unless the magazine publishes an apology for an article about the former Smiths star. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7118412.stm |
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Originally Posted by Barrie
(Post 5614137)
I have never been a Morrissey fan. His singing bores the life out of me.
The BBC news webiste says.... Morrissey insists on NME apology Morrissey denies his comments were racist Morrissey's lawyers have threatened legal action against the NME unless the magazine publishes an apology for an article about the former Smiths star. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7118412.stm MM, xx |
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Originally Posted by Madam Medusa
(Post 5614144)
what did i say, lol...
MM, xx |
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If he didn't have a record deal before this, he will certainly have the record companies chasing him with one now, with all the publicity this has got him!!!!!
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no he's been signed to Sanctuary for the last few years...his last album and singles all did pretty well...
there are ALWAYS record companies after him...he's just picky, lol MM, xx |
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Originally Posted by Madam Medusa
(Post 5614178)
no he's been signed to Sanctuary for the last few years...his last album and singles all did pretty well...
there are ALWAYS record companies after him...he's just picky, lol MM, xx I wasn't being nasty when I said I didn't like him earlier!!!!! Dig, Dig, Dig!!!! Is this hole I am standing in getting bigger? |
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Originally Posted by Barrie
(Post 5614198)
I am sensing a serious Morrissey fan.
I wasn't being nasty when I said I didn't like him earlier!!!!! Dig, Dig, Dig!!!! Is this hole I am standing in getting bigger? MM, xx |
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Originally Posted by Barrie
(Post 5614198)
I am sensing a serious Morrissey fan.
I wasn't being nasty when I said I didn't like him earlier!!!!! Dig, Dig, Dig!!!! Is this hole I am standing in getting bigger? |
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Originally Posted by Inselaffen
(Post 5614239)
As the resident BE ME hole digger I note that you're an amateur when it comes to hole digging! still plenty of depth to go on that one :)
I will study your digger form a far and hope to learn many things!!!! |
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As a performer, I rate Morrissey as a true icon...but much like Amy Winehouse whose music I also love, his personality doesn't concern me. Often the great musical talents are complete idiots outside the auditorium.
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Originally Posted by Inselaffen
(Post 5613947)
Smiths Star Morrissey Embroiled In 'Racism' Row you have to say goodbye to the Britain you once knew.
Sam x PS: Hi everyone, I'm back! |
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Originally Posted by Sam FTQ
(Post 5614566)
What, Alf Garnet's England? What a tosser. And I really used to like Morrissey.
Sam x PS: Hi everyone, I'm back! Is Mr. FTQ with you and your kid, sorry how old is he/she and have you sorted out a school yet |
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Originally Posted by annacarna
(Post 5614658)
Are you in AD now?
Is Mr. FTQ with you and your kid, sorry how old is he/she and have you sorted out a school yet |
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Originally Posted by Sam FTQ
(Post 5614664)
No, I'm on my own for now (until end Jan). School is sorted though, which is a relief. I heard they were all oversubscribed, but we had no problems.
How old is he/she and which school did u opt for? So has yr company put u up in a hotel while you look for an appt here. I suppose you have heard that finding an appt here will be tough |
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Originally Posted by annacarna
(Post 5614678)
How old is he/she and which school did u opt for?
So has yr company put u up in a hotel while you look for an appt here. I suppose you have heard that finding an appt here will be tough |
Re: Someone on here will be disappointed!!
Originally Posted by Sam FTQ
(Post 5614694)
I've PM'd you.
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Re: Someone on here will be disappointed!!
Originally Posted by annacarna
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OK r u gonna come to the meet up on weds
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Actually, if you read Mozzer's comments carefully there is nothing overtly racist in there. He has always had a fond reminiscence for everything quintisentially English from Carry on Movies to Moira Hindley....
Just another case of sensationalist tabloid journalism if you ask me - I would not praise Mozzer unreservedly, but nothing that has been posted here revises my regard for him. |
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Originally Posted by Sam FTQ
(Post 5614730)
Yeah, maybe - let's see how it goes. Thanks for the invitation.
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Originally Posted by shakh your bootie
(Post 5616066)
Actually, if you read Mozzer's comments carefully there is nothing overtly racist in there. He has always had a fond reminiscence for everything quintisentially English from Carry on Movies to Moira Hindley....
Just another case of sensationalist tabloid journalism if you ask me - I would not praise Mozzer unreservedly, but nothing that has been posted here revises my regard for him. MM, xx |
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I think what annoys me the most about people like him, is they say they are leaving England because of the 'immigration problems' but then create their own 'immigration problems' in the countries they emigrate to, eg. increased house prices and holiday homes that are empty most of the time, both of which impact quite badly on the local community.
Have you looked at house prices in Bulgaria or rural Italy these days? Oh, and thanks Shakh Your Bootie, let's see what the day brings. Actually, there is a bar by the same name in my hotel. I wonder if it's the same place? Can you PM me the details? Ta. |
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Originally Posted by Sam FTQ
(Post 5616979)
I think what annoys me the most about people like him, is they say they are leaving England because of the 'immigration problems' but then create their own 'immigration problems' in the countries they emigrate to, eg. increased house prices and holiday homes that are empty most of the time, both of which impact quite badly on the local community.
Have you looked at house prices in Bulgaria or rural Italy these days? Oh, and thanks Shakh Your Bootie, let's see what the day brings. Actually, there is a bar by the same name in my hotel. I wonder if it's the same place? Can you PM me the details? Ta. |
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To be honest not enough is done to maintain English (anglo-saxon) culture. England is now a multi-cultural society but that does not mean that over 2000 years of Anglo-Saxon culture should be allowed to be forgotten. Our Celtic neighbours all celebrate their unique culture Why should we not do the same?
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Originally Posted by Inselaffen
(Post 5617107)
To be honest not enough is done to maintain English (anglo-saxon) culture. England is now a multi-cultural society but that does not mean that over 2000 years of Anglo-Saxon culture should be allowed to be forgotten. Our Celtic neighbours all celebrate their unique culture Why should we not do the same?
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Originally Posted by shakh your bootie
(Post 5617119)
There's Morris Dancing on St George's day.... Isn't that enough?
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Originally Posted by Inselaffen
(Post 5617122)
would be if they made it a national holiday :)
I'll second your movement. Support your motion. {Shaks wonders if these phrases have echos of potty talk?} |
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Originally Posted by shakh your bootie
(Post 5617134)
An extra annual hol? Cool.
I'll second your movement. Support your motion. {Shaks wonders if these phrases have echos of potty talk?} |
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and what exactly do you suggest you do? that's the point. Some English people complain constantly about immigrants, but to all intents and purpose the whole nation is a nation of immigrants.... anglo saxon.... ok - so have some national pride - it doesn't need to be nationalism, just national pride. Why is it that England always looks enviously (it seems) on other nations that maintain a national identity?
England is one of the few countries that waving or displaying the flag seems to be a vulgar or antagonistic act. It's weird. I lived in London for 12 years by the way. And cheer for England when they play sport as long as it's not against my team. I just don't get why it all seems so messed up when it comes to "outsiders" and "national pride / culture"...
Originally Posted by Inselaffen
(Post 5617107)
To be honest not enough is done to maintain English (anglo-saxon) culture. England is now a multi-cultural society but that does not mean that over 2000 years of Anglo-Saxon culture should be allowed to be forgotten. Our Celtic neighbours all celebrate their unique culture Why should we not do the same?
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MM,
He is picky in a slighty out there way... Have you read the fantastic article by Chuck Klosterman in Spin Magazine and how the Mexican community of LA think he is basically a god? tried to find it online, but no luck - here is a similarly great article from Mr Klosterman http://www.spin.com/features/magazin...his_way_comes/ about the So Cal Goth yearly excursion to Disneyland... go buy any of his books. They are POP CULTURE full stop.
Originally Posted by Madam Medusa
(Post 5614178)
no he's been signed to Sanctuary for the last few years...his last album and singles all did pretty well...
there are ALWAYS record companies after him...he's just picky, lol MM, xx |
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Originally Posted by Autonomy
(Post 5618675)
and what exactly do you suggest you do? that's the point. Some English people complain constantly about immigrants, but to all intents and purpose the whole nation is a nation of immigrants.... anglo saxon.... ok - so have some national pride - it doesn't need to be nationalism, just national pride. Why is it that England always looks enviously (it seems) on other nations that maintain a national identity?
England is one of the few countries that waving or displaying the flag seems to be a vulgar or antagonistic act. It's weird. I lived in London for 12 years by the way. And cheer for England when they play sport as long as it's not against my team. I just don't get why it all seems so messed up when it comes to "outsiders" and "national pride / culture"... thats all part of the problem! It shouldnt be deemed vulgar or antagonistic to wave the flag. Nor should it be off limits to discuss immigration and the problems/benefits it brings to the country. Many immigrants bring a lot to the country and they should be made welcome. However there are immigrant groups who bring very little to the country and prove to be a burden on society and do little to intigrate. |
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all this doesn't really help...
http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thu...otball_fan.jpg http://www.soulwalking.co.uk/%A5Arti...igan-Child.jpg It is deemed a source of attack, fear and abuse by a minority of English... why? [QUOTE=Inselaffen;5618763]thats all part of the problem! It shouldnt be deemed vulgar or antagonistic to wave the flag. QUOTE] |
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[QUOTE=Autonomy;5618788]all this doesn't really help...
http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thu...otball_fan.jpg http://www.soulwalking.co.uk/%A5Arti...igan-Child.jpg It is deemed a source of attack, fear and abuse by a minority of English... why?
Originally Posted by Inselaffen
(Post 5618763)
thats all part of the problem! It shouldnt be deemed vulgar or antagonistic to wave the flag.
QUOTE] the photo of the kid, however disturbing, is nothing to do with flag waving! Its a dutch football supporter with his face painted in the colours of the club he supports! |
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