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I for one am glad that Harry wants to get out from under the shadow of the palace and try and start his own thing.
But who will end up paying extra for all this?

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We all know who wears the trousers there eh?

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Not really. All any of us know is what the media publish and aside from that being a dubious source of information, many of the reports are in direct contradiction with each other. The only people who know what's going on within a marriage are the married couple.

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Good for them, they're literally dragging the royal family into the 21st century.

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It's all staged to take the heat off uncle perv.

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Thats not a bad shout actually. Gone all quiet on his front hasn't it. (pun intended)

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Not really. They're still going have the use of Frogmore cottage refurbished for £2.5m at taxpayer's expense.

If you want to step back, go support yourselves, pay for your own security. Don't take anything from the state.

Okay they've both got cash anyway, but what could Harry really do for a job . The only job he's ever going to get is one that trades on his royal connections and name. The very thing he wishes to step back from.

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What do you want? Prince Harry the bin man? Meghan the care worker?

This is probably the kind of reason they want to step back.

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To be fair to Harry, if I was living in a country where the media had effectively killed my mother and decided that they would demonise my wife for having the audacity not to have a 100% white blood line, I'd probably want to **** off to another country also.

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They behaved abominably, but I'd have put her not wearing a seat belt, and the driver doing double the speed limit whilst more than three times over the drink drive limit above the media for reasons she died personally.

I've heard lots of talk of M being the subject of racism but other than a few nasty trolls on Facebook posts etc, haven't seen it myself. Where has she been demonised for being mixed race?

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I genuinely don't mean to be rude but this is the kind of observation which will draw the comment: check your privilege. It's there: as I'm assuming you are not wilfully overlooking it, then you just may not notice it as it's not designed to trigger you, either as a target or co-conspirator.

The coded and barely coded racial undertones to the content and more especially behind the vehemence and tone of the coverage of Meghan has surprised even cynical old me. Dailys Mail and Telegraph leading the charge as usual. I have no time for any of those "royal" parasites, and I cringe at Meghan's new age nonsense, but I totally get why she feels attacked even if she is a whiny rich girl.

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Yes, if they are suitably qualified.

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This is revealing.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...tandards-royal

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I've read this several times and am still none the wiser. Eh? :confused:

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I saw that yesterday, but what everybody seems to be forgetting is that Kate got just as much grief in the early days. Remember all those 'Waity Kaity' comments and constant jibes about her family and background in the press? She can do no wrong for the media now, but it took years before she earned any respect., Meghan just hasn't done that yet but I'm sure if she'd stuck around she'd have been viewed the same way.

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Opium of the people.

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I want them to disappear into obscurity. They can't have their cake and eat it too. If they want to step back from the royal life and all the privilege that comes with it that's fine. But don't then expect to stay in a rent free 'cottage'.... Rent or buy a house like everyone else. If that's in the middle of Ontario or wherever so be it .

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I gotta agree with Christmas.

I'm old enough to remember other royals being dragged over the coals by the media. Remember the ferocious attacks and press over Fergie before, during and after the divorce? The ugly side of the media that certainly has nitpicked Meghan Markle to death has done the same thing to the York girls, there's plenty of nasty online comments about their physical appearances and clothes. And even Kate went through a period with the press complaining she was lazy and not doing anything. And remember the scandal about those photos taken of her and Will when they were sunbathing naked? I remember the snide comments and sneers about Carole Middleton and her former life as an air hostess. I don't see Meghan being treated any differently.

I do see people whose identities are wrapped up in seeking racism in every facet of life finding the racism they're looking for and refusing to acknowledge the same degree of press hostility has faced other royals too. So when a woke misanthrope like Miss Ann comes along and tells us to check our privileges, I only roll my eyes and tell him he needs to check his woke ignorance. I do also see people who are republicans / disdain the monarchy / disdain the UK in general flocking to "support Meghan" when in reality they're just using her as fuel for their own prejudices.

The simple reality is Meghan Markle is running away because she doesn't want to spend her life doing the royal duty and being second fiddle to Will and Kate. I guess the red carpet Hollywood glamorous lifestyle with all the shallowness and parasites implied with it is better suited for Harry and Meghan than a lifetime of duty opening hospitals and charity events and concerts. Hey, I'm sure I wouldn't like the royal duty, but let's be real here. They're running away from the press in the UK to be what? "Influencers?" Which means they fully intend to remain in the public spotlight and expect millions of flashing camera bulbs adoring them. They just didn't like people mocking their hypocrisy in wanting to save the environment while running around in private jets. And now they want to be financially independent despite already having a, what, fortune estimated between 30-40 million, and pray tell how will they accomplish the extra hundred or so million they apparently need? Fat speaking fees preaching environmentalism to other rich people before hopping on their private jet back home? Ok.... Their only justification for being influencers is effectively the royal status, but they don't want the obligations of duty that we in the UK expect of the royals.

I'd have a lot more respect for Harry and Meghan if their goal was to set up a quiet life on a farm on a Canadian island and live the environmentally conscious lifestyle there, quietly with family and close friends, and occasionally going back to the UK for the periodic family photo. That I completely understand. But that's not what they want, isn't it? It's to hang out with hollywood stars and strut the red carpet and give soulful interviews about how important their causes while pocketing the fees instead of donating it to those causes.

I must say, I expect a divorce. Give it five years. Harry will go back to the UK and maybe remarry someone from his former tatler set of friends and set up housekeeping on a Scottish estate doing his low key environmental stuff, and Meghan goes back to LA.

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I'm in shock. Actually agreed with something you said.

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I couldn't actually give a toss what they do as long as none of it ever gets paid for from my taxes.

If you don't see racism in the coverage of Megahan Markle then its because you have chosen not to see it. FFS, pictures of the child as a chimp? Not so subtle little remarks by paid commentators in the Mail about "niggling" issues with her as a Duchess? Seriously, have you even talked to one black British person about how they have experienced it?

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Wiser is an appropriate choice of word. The use of little "dog whistle" words and phrases is all over the right wing press coverage. If you don't know what that means then I suggest you educate yourself.

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Perhaps instead of patronising and belittling, you could have simply answered my question. I haven’t seen any racism because I don’t read any right wing press. A short answer or a link or two would have sufficed.

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I'll save Miss Woke Ann Thorp the trouble. Insofar as I can see, the racism is some BBC reporter who commented on a social media outlet like Twitter that baby Archie looked like an ape or chimpanzee (and was promptly fired), and the usual online nasties you find everywhere. Like those cybernats. The claim that the established media was racist and hounding Meghan Markle because she has a black mother is utterly unfounded.

Because if it was true it doesn't explain why other royals have also been hounded. Other white royals.

I will say the presses did have a lot of fun mocking her wokeness and appearance of entitlement and royal missteps. It is, perhaps, not the greatest idea to go on a tour to some of the poorest countries in the world and then complain in an interview that no one asked her how she was.

It didn't help that she made a big fuss at Wimbledon about her security and cordoned off an entire ring of prime empty seats around her for privacy and threw a fit when someone took her photo. It doesn't help that you marry into a majorly tradition bound royal family and turn down the Queen's invitation to Balmoral and instead go to a tennis open in New York with your celebrity friends.

I'm sure I'd hate the constant press intrusion and flashing bulbs and the regimented lifestyle but she should have known what she signed up for. And that in the UK you don't accept nearly three million quid of public funding to renovate your posh shack and then refuse to allow photos of your baby and basically tell the Queen to bugger off and not even have the dignity to meet face to face with the royal family before running away to Canada.

I'm all for the decision to leave the gilded fishbowl and wanting privacy. But the manner it's being done reeks of hypocrisy, both the excuses and the expectations.

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And you've chosen to see racism everywhere, even where there is none. MM arrived to a wave of goodwill - even though several rules were bent for her. The chimp episode was stupid, sure, but other than that, not much...
The word "niggling" is verboten now? Who decided this, and when?
How many black British people have YOU talked to about this? What did they say? And given that "black British" are a small minority in Britain, why should their opinions or feelings be more precious, or more valid, than anyone else's?

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I'd rather see them do something positive or good. We all know they're hugely wealthy so they can buy as many houses as they wish, but who gives a monkeys if they live in a royal cottage? I'm sure their individual contributions to society has probably warranted a home.

The butthurt the royals cause is genuinely beyond me.

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It's 2020 Christmas, you've got to seek to be offended wherever possible.

I'm actually offended that you said right wing. I think that's too unfair. I don't have wings, only arms and legs and it's not fair to make me feel stupid for not having wings, left or right.

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I feel quite sorry for Archie, Queenie etc. They haven't got long to bond with their great-grandson, it's as if they've been shut out of his upbringing. He won't know uncles, aunts, cousins etc.

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I honestly couldn't give a shit...

BoJo's 2 drafts for the infamous pro or con-Brexit piece show most of the MSM hacks arent printing something they vehemently believe in, they print it to get a reaction.. Any reaction..

This kinda BS fills the pages when the politically-driven MSM want to create a diversion from the real issues happening in the country...

And its clearly working... Even 'woke' people fall into the trap...

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The curse of the expat (and the expat's family), it happens to most of us. Although from some of the posts I've read over the years, some people see it as a blessing that they don't have to see some family members.

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Probably the best post on this thread.

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A producer on Fox News anchor Sean Hannity's radio show called Meghan Markle " very uppity" . In the US this term , when directed at African Americans, is considered racially derogatory , because white Southerners would say it to blacks who didn't know 'their place'. The word is s very obvious dog whistle.


https://www.huffpost.com/entry/sean-...b673621f6dff64

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The argument is that the British press, not some American press, is institutionally racist and gave the poor little girl a level of criticism and spurious gossip that no other royal apparently faced and is the reason Meghan Markle is leaving the UK for Canada.

Interestingly enough, according to recent news, she's already quickly moved to register her lifestyle blog business in the American state of Delaware due to its business friendly laws and we must assume it has nothing to do with running away from the nasty UK press and bigoted and racist royal family?

Hey, the couple thought it was no big deal to announce the pregnancy at the Yorklet girl's wedding. Talk about having a bit of tact...

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"We want to be financially indepedent"

And yet, they register "Sussex Royal" as a trademark. So the plan seems to be to live in a much nicer country, and then trade off the celebrity and titles granny gave him. Once a parasite...

Curious thing is, nobody is talking about Prince Andrew being a paedophile any more, the papers are filled with some trivial falling out over the family protection racke... er... I mean business.

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I am not sure the media criticism of Meghan Markle is racist, at least not in the UK. I mean the UK papers might say she's black, but they also used to say Diana was a commoner, so these terms clearly mean something entirely different to royal correspondents than they do to the general public. Meghan isn't black, and Diana was a posh bird.

That said, America is a deeply racist state, and you see wingnuttery of an order the present conservative party in the UK can only dream of. Maybe the US right might force the UK to do something about this mixed-race abomination, as it's now clear they're going to use the brexit they supported to bend the UK over and do as it's told about practically everything.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ays-trump-ally

Raab has already unofficially given yanks diplomatic immunity for killing Brits, at least up until they're safely out of the country, when it's ok to withdraw it and then wring your hands about how terrible it all is. So might as well formalize it in a trade deal so we all know where we stand.

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Can always rely on Jonathan.......

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You most certainly can :lol:

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Good post.

Ditto.

Well I am offended that you used the term 'monkeys'! I'm sure someone somewhere can link that back to ingrained primal racism in some way or another! How dare you!

Seriously though, lets get down to the nitty gritty,whats next... changing the name of the country Niger as it looks similar? Or banning riggers and jiggers who work on bigger diggers?

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Deal Done...Well done, Harry.

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Maybe the butthurt will stop now.

WAIT.

No it won't they'll be chased across the world by the media and the public demand to know what's happening and to be allowed the opportunity to sling some more shit....then everyone will come back on to forums like this and say they don't give a shit and couldn't care less. Even when the house is paid off, there'll be no let up.

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i don’t see it the same way. Harry will disappear. Megan will star Hollywood in a couple of terrible films with the Rock and then disappear.