The Dean

Or he survived because she only got him in the shoulder, but the force of the bullet was enough to knock him back far enough to fall off the train........

......... in fact, the very same thing happened to me a few years ago on the Charing Cross to Hastings...........

Dry as Dust

You are not alone. Whole plot riddled with holes big enough to drive a train through. Unadulterated escapist crap. Occasional laugh but that was about it!

Meow

Er, it's a film; it's fiction; not a documentary.

Bahtatboy

"A necessary part of film watching is suspension of disbelief." Not sure who said that (me?), but I agree with it as a fundamental. However, I watching any film that is so unbelievable does, for me, diminish it. Having said that, real life often requires equal--if not greater--suspension of disbelief...

The Dean

WHAT holes in the plot?

captainflack

Did the bullet in the shoulder help cushion his 400ft fall and give him the kiss of life after drowning too?

The Dean

Nonsense. Watch it again.............

captainflack

Where do I start...

What purpose did it serve in the plot for Bond to 'die' and disappear for several months? It contributed nothing to the story. He could have just landed, twisted his ankle and turned up back for work on Monday. This is even aside from the lack of explanation of how he fell 400ft into a river, unconscious and somehow survived.

Why did Bond, after dying, just stay in Turkey and lie low? He didn't seem to care much for his duty, he only came back because MI6 was attacked and (we find out) M is his surrogate mother figure. Fair enough, but he's done plenty of gritty and nasty things for his country even in just the last two films and I am sure he will after this film. But in this one, he only seems to care about M rather than his country/duty.

Why does the villain deliberately get himself captured by Bond and placed in a cell in MI6's new secret HQ so he can get his laptop to spring him again? What was the point of that?

His laptop opens the cell doors, but how did he fight his way out past armed security guards?

Bond gets Q to lay a trail for the baddie to follow to his ancestral home in Scotland, so he, M and his old gamekeeper can take on the baddie and his legions of tooled-up armed thugs with some Macgyver style improvised bombs and an old shotgun on two. Why not get Q to send in a helicopter or two of ninja-trained commandos to help him out?

Bond has the old goldfinger 60s Aston, complete with ejector seat and machine guns, in a lock up garage. How and why does he have this? It wouldn't have been his contemporary car in this reboot (he's too young), so why does he have it or have access to it?

You could maybe overlook these points if it had brilliant iconic stunts or scenes, but there was nothing in this film that will be remembered.

captainflack

Here ya go

http://www.zimbio.com/Beyond+the+Box...f+Moving+Train

They don't show the bit where he floats unconscious down the river.

Someone fishes him out, fine.

That doesn't explain why he doesn't break every bone in his body, or drown.

The Dean

Hmmm............ now I need to see it again. I had the impression that he 'died' with the full knowledge of MI6. Anyway......... holes in plots? Many 'great' movies have/had them. Take the great John Ford Western 'Stagecoach' - the Injuns would have shot the horses to stop the coach, obviously, but then there wouldn't have been a magnificent movie, would there?

Meow

For Christ's sake. It's a film. It's fiction. Anyone that takes issue with the latest Bond must hate 90% of films ever made if they are after realism and plausibility.

Cypselos

But they also get to feel clever by pointing out the holes (and missing the point)

captainflack

M clearly didn't know he was alive. It was quite clear when she was writing his obituary on her own that she genuinely thought he was dead. When he came back, they didn't use the fact he was assumed dead in any clever way to suggest they might have been complicit in the ruse.

The whole point of Bond movies is that he survives through a bit of luck, but mainly by ingenuity and some clever gadgets. If he skies off a cliff, he has a parachute. If he 'dies', it's because it's part of a plan to fake it. If he falls out of a plane without a parachute, he needs to rip one off someone else or skydive into another plane, etc. Having him just survive because he's just tough defeats the whole point of the character, which is that he's clever and resourceful.

mentalist

Having not yet seen the movie, you appear to have revealed most of the plot so I probably won't bother going to the cinema and watching it now, thanks. At least I can buy a good bottle of wine instead.

Meow

Much as I hate to agree with Mentalist, it's not fair to reveal the plot of a new film that has only recently been released.