TGFKASE

I am not a Scottish Nationalist.

I am a Scottish nationalist.

Big difference without the capitalisation...

shiva

to be fair independence is a pretty open and shut book. Either a country is or isnt and as such its not really a debatable issue with valid alternative points of view. The means, methods, ability to survive, economically grow etc may well all be debatable but the fundamental belief to the right to self determination and nationhood isnt really debatable at all.

There may be a myriad of different ways of managing an economy for example but Scottish independence is a binary issue.

All but a few nutjobs are content with the result of the referendum and all but a few nutjobs see the 45% as a number we never thought we'd see in our lifetime.

Given the impeding SNP success ( be it 30 or 58 seats) id say 99.9% of nationalist Scots are pretty much as happy as pigs in shit at the moment.

We know there will be no unilateral declaration made this time round but who cares, we are flexing as much muscle as we have and cant ask for more than that in a democracy.

Nobody really expects independence anytime soon but the last 3 years have seen a move towards it that by any measure should have taken 20 or more years to achieve.

As far as most of us are concered whats not to like.

Cypselos

POINT OF INFORMATION!!!!!

DXBtoDOH was pretty short on capital Ns in his post, but don't let the facts get in your way.

TGFKASE

OK, Ill bite...

D2D used the term 'partisan'. Look up 'partisan', then consider removing your post....

Dumbo

an adherent or supporter of a person, group, party, or cause, especially a person who shows a biased, emotional allegiance.

Partisan | Define Partisan at Dictionary.com

Am I being thick again?

As Scamp says the referendum happened, you lost, get over it, if you don't it will eat you up inside.

Cypselos

I'm quite happy standing by what I say thanks, rather than feeling the need to retcon things and making abstruse attempts to parse my statements

scrubbedexpat141

Cool, so you're happy that we 'begged' you to stay with offers of wonderful new powers?

What of these, haven't come through then? OR have been completely reneged?

I hear this a lot at the moment but not many folk seem to know what has changed.

Surely politicians haven't been flexible with the truth? Surely Salmond, Cameron et al didn't make claims in the referendum run up that they knew would be hard or impossible to keep?

scot47

Teresa May says this is the worst constitutional crisis since the Abdication. Really ? Worse than the marital squabbles of the Windsors ? Oh no !

DXBtoDOH

Reality check, mate. You already posted this on the previous page.

You don't want to give off the impression of an old fart who spends his day hunched over a keyboard in a darkened room in a shabby bungalow somewhere, posting in the comment sections of newspapers and who thinks the height of intellectualism is to post non sequitur one liners copied from someone's twitter account.

TGFKASE

Im really start to question how my words can be misinterpreted so much...

I never said I am happy about the result, obviously Im not.

As I have said before, this was not an election, it was a referendum. These do not come around every 4 years, we cannot call for a vote of no confidence.. Therefore, the usual methods of calling out a political party for deceiving the population are not available to the Scots.

The only way we CAN register our disapproval is to change the political landscape, from a Westminster perspective, and this is what you are seeing..

Regarding the delivery of the vow...

Breaching purdah rules allowed the vow to be delivered to the Scots as fact, without sufficient time to disseminate and query the vows content..

The Vow was being ripped to shreds by Cameron within hours of finding out the Scots had, by majority, voted to stay in the Union.. There was no mention anywhere that the powers promised was subject to the implementation of EVEL.. You would have to be a UKIP supporter to not realise that this was going to be the first 'excuse' for not carrying thru on the promises and timelines.. And, so far, that has been borne out..

I was in no way stUKIP enough to think that every promise was, or could, be carried out.. However, there are still some people in both Scotland AND England that believe politicians are honorable people..

Who you ask? Look at the demographic that swung the Independence vote to No....

scrubbedexpat141

I didn't say you were happy with the result, well I didn't mean to if it sounded like that.

I think the whole thing looks farcical now. One side argued that x% of Salmond's plans were completely unrealistic and unsustainable. The other argued for more and more devolution of powers.

Problem is, only one side can be proved right or wrong / honest or dishonest at a time.

That being said, I agree, as independent nations or a collective the opinion of voters is that we rarely get the truth, whole truth and subsequent action.

EVEL is an interesting one, but I don't know huge amounts about it. It's a principal that makes a lot of sense but quite hard to implement properly.

scot47

Shabby bungalow ! No. I plead guilty to all other charges. I am pleased that one of my fans spotted my deliberate mistake ! Well done !

scot47

Letter from a neighbour (The RAF type, not the Gurka-wallah)

Letters to The National, April 29 | Comment | The National

Autonomy

One take on "The Vow"

date Oct 2014...

What now for 'the vow'? - BBC News

I think come this Friday "The Vow" will have back fired more than "they" could have imagined.

shiva

I think come Friday "they" will realise that "they" ran the most effective campaign anyone could have for the SNP.

Sturgeon, Salmond et al will be pissing themselves. At an absolute minimum they will double their current number of seats, they may well take 100% or close to 100% of seats. Of course anything less than all 59 seats will be sold as an abject failure by the media but anyone with half a brain will see this as a stunning SNP victory.

The real questions that may or may not be asked or answered in the mainstream Uk media will be why the SNP have seen such a swing, and the answer lies far beyond the referendum. Why the scottish labour party has utterly imploded? Why the Tories have seemed to run a stunning campaign for the SNP.

And perhaps most importantly, why has scottish politics changed so radically in such a short space of time and does westminster realise the risk to the union by not understanding this shift.

As I say I actually care not for the final outcome as the campaign has given me all I need for years to come.

One thing I am very curious to see is the final turnout in Scotland and the rest of the Uk. Will the perceived engagement of new voters have been maintained from the referendum and will that huge turnout be repeated in Scotland and seen at all in the rest of the UK.

I'm also curious to see and quite hopeful that the Scottish tory vote will overtake scottish labour. Scottish tories are notoriously quiet in most of scotland but I actually think a scotland split between the snp and tories could be a good mix, with one tempering the other quite nicely.