Yeah I know we visited this a few years ago, and if I recall I stated that I thought the parents had something to do with it. Maybe I was wrong or maybe the new evidence is saying what the parents now want - dark forces at work...

So now with all the new evidence The Yard are suggesting she was indeed taken. I cannot imagine what the parents have gone through if this is the case.

I wonder whether the poor girl or her remains are ever found and whether anyone will ever be brought to trial.

Apparently the Crimewatch show brought a number of substantial new leads. Why did these people not come forward all those years ago.

Hope the parents can get closure one way or the other (if indeed they aren't involved), and kudos to them for keeping their daughter in the news all these years.

My heart goes out to them, as long as there is no body they must deep down have a tiny glimmer of hope that she could still be alive and that would eat you up, and if she was still to be alive what is happening to her. How you can ever not be thinking about it- it would just consume you.

I think if the parents had had anything to do with it then it would have been discovered by now, it must be every parents absolute worst nightmare.

I am always taken aback by the vitreol aimed at the parents. They made a really stupid mistake, one for which they will pay dearly for the rest of their lives, but to suggest they harmed their daughter or that they are unfeeling as they have maintained some dignity in the media is harsh.

It is odd that people are coming forward after all this time. It's not as if there hasn't been plenty of media coverage. No doubt the police are expecting lots of hoax calls and claims, but it has to be unlikely that they'll ever find out the full story now.

Losing a child has to be the worst thing in the world.

I agree with you both and my stance has changed. I did say initially, I don't think the Portuguese Police come out well though, they named the McCann's as their prime suspects, said that DNA evidence was found in the back of their hire car etc. etc.

Not good for anyone.

What does astound me is that it's taken so long for "new" evidence to come out? Surely if anyone here had been there and could give any evidence, they would have done it at the time.

I think it is a natural reaction of people to blame them for leaving their children. It was a mistake, a stupid one and yes they live with that every second of the day.

I couldn't imagine the same happening to my girls. I'm not going to say that I would never leave them or make the same mistake because no matter how perfect we think we are, we all make mistakes and do things we look back on and think "phew, we got away with that".. I would love to meet a parent who has never had that "phew" moment after they have realized they have done a potentially daft/dangerous act. I'd like to meet them so I can visualize them and make a note never to associate myself with them ever again, as they are nutters.

I read somewhere that you wouldn't leave a bag of cash and credit cards in a hotel room unlocked, so why would you do the same with your daughter...

Can't really argue with that point and I doubt they can either. They royally ****ed up

Many people can be rather rough in such circumstances , understandable yes, but everyone makes mistakes and many are just fortunate their mistakes didn't amount to much.

I suppose listening to the McCann haters vent is a good shortcut method for choosing one's friends. I can't bear people who set themselves up as being perfect parents who never make mistakes - nor can I bear gobsmacking hypocrites who think it's OK for them to make mistakes but nobody else.

there was no new evidence at all, they just discounted the 9.15 sighting as a resident collecting his child from the creche ( like he wasn't interviewed at the time )

they then tried to focus on a couple of folks seen hanging around and say it was a pre planned snatch. But then they go all in on the photofit of the bloke carrying a child towards the beach, it can't have been very well planned if they had to carry her through the resort rather than use a vehicle

nobody comes out of it with any credit at all

I feel desperately sorry for all parents of abducted / missing children. I think Madeleine's parents have tremendous strength of character to have survived so far, whilst managing to protect their other children.

I'm bad enough when one of my cats goes missing, with the what ifs. I don't know if I would have their strength if my child went missing.

According to the official police summary report released in July this year - and confirmed by video evidence of the dogs in action in Praia da Luz, widely available on the Internet - Eddie, the cadaver dog, found the ‘smell of death’ in the following places. We quote the exact words of the report:

a) in the McCanns’ apartment, Apartment 5A, Eddie the cadaver the dog detected the scent of a human corpse (human cadaverine):

in the couple’s bedroom, in a corner, around a wardrobe, and
in the living room, behind the sofa, close to the external window of the apartment.
Also, a ‘lighter’ scent of death was found in the flower beds in the back yard, near the foot of the steps leading down from the patio.

b) on family items of clothing, Eddie found the scent of a corpse as follows:

on two items of Kate McCann’s clothing, and
on one item of Madeleine’s clothing - a T-shirt.
c) in addition, Eddie the cadaver dog was taken to the house that the McCanns rented, in a different part of Praia da Luz, after they left Apartment 5A. Eddie found cadaverine on what was said to be Madeleine’s favourite pink soft toy, ‘Cuddle Cat’, which Dr Kate McCann always had with her when being interviewed by the media - but which Eddie detected lying in an otherwise empty cupboard. Here it should be noted that, earlier, Eddie had found Cuddle Cat in the living room at the McCanns’ rented home, tossed it in the air, but not actually ‘marked’ it by barking. He later marked it when the police re-located it in the cupboard.

d) on top of all that, Eddie, sniffing the car from the outside only, detected cadaverine in the car the McCanns hired on 22nd May, less than three weeks after Madeleine ‘disappeared’ - a Renault Scenic:

on the car key
around the door of the front driver’s seat.
These findings, supported by other forensic evidence, show that a dead body must have begun to emit cadaverine in Apartment 5A - the McCanns’ apartment. That body must have lain dead in that apartment for at least 90 minutes, probably two hours or more. Once that ‘smell of death’ - cadaverine - had begun to be produced, it could then be transferred to other locations such as the hire car, Madeleine’s clothes, Dr Kate McCann’s clothes and Cuddle Cat.

That means that a corpse - that must have been dead for approximately two hours (in order for cadaverine to have been produced) - must have been in direct contact with all of these locations - floor, wardrobe, car, clothes etc. If the body had subsequently been moved, it would still emit cadaverine as it was decomposing. Meanwhile, Keela, the blood-hound, found the smell of blood - note, blood, not just ‘body fluids’:

a) in the living room, behind the sofa, close to the external window of the apartment (exactly where Eddie had found the scent of human cadaverine), and

b) in the McCanns’ hired Renault Scenic:

on the car key
in the interior of the car boot.
We should note three very important things here. The dogs alerted to the smell of death/blood, separately, in exactly the same places in the apartment. Eddie the cadaver dog only alerted to the smell of death to the McCanns’ apartment, out of all the other ones he was taken to.


Friend posted this on FB yesterday, I think we will never find out what happened that night. So sad.

all in the public domain if you can be arsed to read it

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/

What intrigues me is that a cute blonde English kid goes missing and the press is still all over it 6 years later, the Met Police are spending a fortune on it and there will never be a conclusion.

Compare and contrast a 30 something English sailor who goes missing after a few beers in Rockbottom.

No more press interest.
No Met Police investigation.

Obviously to the UK government and police a 4 year old kid's life is more valuable than a 30 year olds'.

yes that is another one we will never get the answers to

Honestly speaking? Yes, if finding the people that kidnapped, and probably damaged & killed said white child, will lead to the breaking of an international paedophile ring, and stopping the abuse of hundreds or more children worldwide. Whereas finding out what happened to a drunken navvie leaving a nightclub, really doesn't rank.

Unless the parents did it.....