London riots
Aug 8th 2011, 7:47 pm
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Whilst the looting is opportunistic, I’m of the opinion the larger social elements are playing a part. You don’t have to be a top flight economist to know if you’re young right now regardless of educational attainment financially you’re ****ed, the news is full of this just about every day Least we forget youth unemployment is at record levels and the economy is also ****ed. It’s not just wotless wannabe wankstas that are angry but, as exemplified by the student protests earlier in the year young people of all backgrounds. I’m not suggesting breaking into carpet right or burning down Aldi is a useful way of airing grievances, but a symptom of those who have no stake in “regular” society.
It is difficult to compare the struggles and challenges faced by an earlier generation to the struggles faced by the youth of today, just as many things are easier than they were back in the day the nature of the beast is to adapt and present new challenges. What I get from all these shootings and stabbings involving some young people is an element of internalised rage, the rage that would have been shown to the police and the obvious NF/BNP racists being deflected and bouncing back anc causing havoc amongst the youth due to these foes changing form and tactics. However this does not negate personal responsibility nor the need to better yourself, but a way of combating the more destructive elements of an advanced capitalist system is required.
If I were to pop my cynics hat on for a moment, what would be perfect for a met police that’s lost it’s commissioner and deputy commission, has had an officer found guilty of the unlawful killing of Ian Tomlinson, has been criticised for kettling kids not to mention the planned cuts in the numbers of police, their pay and pensions, then being the thin blue line between the “great British public” and rioting inner city youth? If ever there was ever a situation to get the “public” back on their side is the fear of inner city youth running amok. I would say the met are satisfied with this progression at the moment.
It is difficult to compare the struggles and challenges faced by an earlier generation to the struggles faced by the youth of today, just as many things are easier than they were back in the day the nature of the beast is to adapt and present new challenges. What I get from all these shootings and stabbings involving some young people is an element of internalised rage, the rage that would have been shown to the police and the obvious NF/BNP racists being deflected and bouncing back anc causing havoc amongst the youth due to these foes changing form and tactics. However this does not negate personal responsibility nor the need to better yourself, but a way of combating the more destructive elements of an advanced capitalist system is required.
If I were to pop my cynics hat on for a moment, what would be perfect for a met police that’s lost it’s commissioner and deputy commission, has had an officer found guilty of the unlawful killing of Ian Tomlinson, has been criticised for kettling kids not to mention the planned cuts in the numbers of police, their pay and pensions, then being the thin blue line between the “great British public” and rioting inner city youth? If ever there was ever a situation to get the “public” back on their side is the fear of inner city youth running amok. I would say the met are satisfied with this progression at the moment.
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Aug 8th 2011, 7:47 pm
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They're muppets...
Aug 8th 2011, 8:18 pm
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Politicians should name the things by their true names: are those rioters the british youth fighting for jobs or expats youth in Britain fighting for the "better trainers"?
Aug 8th 2011, 9:06 pm
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The Police need to be able to use water cannon and rubber bullets. It is disgrace this can happen in the capital city.
Just seen on BBC News 24 a lorry stopping at traffic lights when scum opened the back, pulled out some wood and started throwing it at a bus that was also stopped at the light... presume there are people on board the bus.
Just seen on BBC News 24 a lorry stopping at traffic lights when scum opened the back, pulled out some wood and started throwing it at a bus that was also stopped at the light... presume there are people on board the bus.
Aug 8th 2011, 9:11 pm
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We waved farewell to friends from north London last night and having spoken to them just now we and they're rather worried. Told them they're more than welcome to get on the next plane back!
Got back from our latest visit to UK eight days' ago. First visit in three years, second visit in six years. Not the happiest place we've been to, both times, although a 100th and 80th birthday made it all worth while this time!
Got back from our latest visit to UK eight days' ago. First visit in three years, second visit in six years. Not the happiest place we've been to, both times, although a 100th and 80th birthday made it all worth while this time!
Aug 8th 2011, 9:13 pm
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Absolutely disgraceful behavior
Aug 8th 2011, 9:33 pm
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Look at the positives...there's a much better selection of electrical goods and trainers (location: London) on e-bay tonight
Aug 8th 2011, 9:49 pm
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Positive thinking: "We don't really have riots. A dozen angry teenagers jumping on the roof of a police van and scrawling graffito on it, does not constitute a riot"
http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question...5122840AAlzeCO
http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question...5122840AAlzeCO
Aug 8th 2011, 9:53 pm
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The smear campaign against the man the police shot is proceeding exactly like all its predecessors it seems.
Lazy c xxx s haven't even come up with a new script, first the initial announcement with added props - a shot radio with a bullet - clearly intended to convey the entirely false impression Duggan had shot at the police. Now that has been exposed as bullshit we get all the usual tossers in the Sun, Telegraph and the rest heaping shit on the victim.
All this shite presumably written by the Met's now famous 65 strong press office.
Lazy c xxx s haven't even come up with a new script, first the initial announcement with added props - a shot radio with a bullet - clearly intended to convey the entirely false impression Duggan had shot at the police. Now that has been exposed as bullshit we get all the usual tossers in the Sun, Telegraph and the rest heaping shit on the victim.
All this shite presumably written by the Met's now famous 65 strong press office.
Aug 8th 2011, 10:12 pm
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Remember a few weeks ago a riot Met policeman was sent to jail because he hit someone who later died. No wonder the police are just standing around now to watch.
Remember a few months ago the banks were the ones who were looting? Now it is someone else turn.
Monkey see, monkey do.
London is a place where it can cost you to buy a 1 bedroom apartment for a million pounds and yet you have these rioters who don't have jobs, can't get jobs so this is an opportunity to get what they want.
I sound like a raving liberal but I'm more like a Daily Mail reader.
Go figure.
Remember a few months ago the banks were the ones who were looting? Now it is someone else turn.
Monkey see, monkey do.
London is a place where it can cost you to buy a 1 bedroom apartment for a million pounds and yet you have these rioters who don't have jobs, can't get jobs so this is an opportunity to get what they want.
I sound like a raving liberal but I'm more like a Daily Mail reader.
Go figure.
Aug 8th 2011, 10:33 pm
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I can remember this argument back when De Menezes was shot. A load of gung-ho posters banging on about a terrorist being shot dead (the more moderate of us were saying that even if this was true, there was something not right about shooting a person in the head seven times at point blank range).
Those waving the flag for the police promptly then fell in with the media line. He was an illegal immigrant! He was running! He had a heavy coat on during the summer! He vaulted the barrier! All of which were complete bullshit.
Aug 8th 2011, 10:35 pm
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Remember a few weeks ago a riot Met policeman was sent to jail because he hit someone who later died. No wonder the police are just standing around now to watch.
Remember a few months ago the banks were the ones who were looting? Now it is someone else turn.
Monkey see, monkey do.
London is a place where it can cost you to buy a 1 bedroom apartment for a million pounds and yet you have these rioters who don't have jobs, can't get jobs so this is an opportunity to get what they want.
I sound like a raving liberal but I'm more like a Daily Mail reader.
Go figure.
Remember a few months ago the banks were the ones who were looting? Now it is someone else turn.
Monkey see, monkey do.
London is a place where it can cost you to buy a 1 bedroom apartment for a million pounds and yet you have these rioters who don't have jobs, can't get jobs so this is an opportunity to get what they want.
I sound like a raving liberal but I'm more like a Daily Mail reader.
Go figure.
This tweet can't be repeated enough:
"See those firefighters in your pictures? They are the ones with 'gold-plated' pensions who need 'discipline' - while Cameron is in Tuscany"
Aug 8th 2011, 10:35 pm
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...don't want jobs...
for those who do there are more jobs than joblesses in London: http://www.jobisjob.co.uk/london/factory/jobs
for those who do there are more jobs than joblesses in London: http://www.jobisjob.co.uk/london/factory/jobs