Millhouse

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/7337

Norm_uk

Yet another association with terrorists, and extremist I see.

Anders also quoted JFK, Shakespeare, and a host of others – are all those people he quoted in league with him? Are the responsible for his actions? If so we can blame Martin Luther for Hitler because Hitler quoted him several times. We can blame almost anyone for anything using this way of thinking…and we also do the mad men a favour by taking the blame for their actions and placing it at the feet of unrelated people whom he or she used as twisted inspiration. Have you even read his “manifesto”?

To be frank you haven’t actually made many posts to me without some open or veiled accusation of me being a Neo-Nazi, a terrorist enabler or a racist. It’s a pity you can’t comment on my views without committing a slippery slope and straw man fallacy:
Example:
I say: I feel we need to debate continued mass immigration, find ways to better integrate and assimilate people by promoting native values and culture above others in the UK. In other words multi-culturalism hasn't worked.
You say: Loyalty tests? Deportations? Some extremist, racist and/or popularist groups hold some of these views – therefore you are one of them/in league with them/secretly supporting them/want to or should join them.

So essentially you make logical fallacies in order to expand whatever I say (or rather, what you think I say) to make the position harder to defend. You also engage in ad hominum arguing by suggesting that I share the same views with terrorists, racists and extremists.

I’m happy to clarify my views, and happy to agree to disagree with you or anyone else. I’m not happy to see myself linked to murderers, thugs or people with neo-Nazi agendas for the simple reason that me and my family are multi-racial (which is different from multi-cultural if you open a dictionary rather than relying on EU Orwellian Newspeak to define race and culture) and also because I am very proud my grandfather and all his brothers fought the Nazi’s and contributed to the Allied victory...I still have my grandfathers medals and will pass them on to my son.

N.

Boomhauer

Police budgets were gona get cut.
Public decry police's wringing their hands and not doing anything to stop the looting.
Boris now says police budgets will not be cut.

sherri

paca

Meow

That's rather funny


Shame there are so many grammatical errors & spelling mistakes. Detracts from my enjoyment. <grammar geek/>

dsmuk

Love it!

Best bit was about they burnt down the post office on Saturday night only to turn up on Monday to cash their giros!

kittycat1

Reasons for the riots

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-14483149

Welfare dependence
Social Exclusion
Lack of fathers
Spending cuts
Weak Policing
Racism
Gangsta rap and culture
Consumerism
Opportunism
Technology and social networking

or is it all a load of old bollocks?

Meow

I think some of that is correct, certainly 1, 2, 3 (I prefer 'lack of decent parental role models'), 6, 7 and 8.

There seem to be an awful lot of people who do not feel part of mainstream society, do not see the 'system' in the same way most of us here probably do and feel that they are entitled to have the things deemed desirable. Seems many are not brought up with the old Puritan work ethic.

I have been mulling this over for days, but really don't know what the answer is. I am however, fairly sure that just cutting off benefits won't make matters any better.

Norm_uk

Getting old now...especially when you understand a bit of German.

N.

Norm_uk

Thanks for posting this...puts it into perspective.

What a great father - as a father I can't even imagine how he feels.

N.

seven seas

Shame how the only times you quote that nutter, it just so happens to be the stuff about "not white = bad". Which also happens to be the stuff that the EDL, Northern League etc keep mentioning, in passing like.

Or how about we address my points 1,2,3?

Boomhauer

I'd add this little tidbit ..

Resentment of the Police stop & search, and general feeling that the law is there to harass the poor.

Below is an article from June 2nd, where Bishop Wayne Malcom had this to say:
"There appears to be a disconnect between young people's actual experience on the street of the police and what the statistics say," he said. "There is a perception that the police are not on their side – on the side of law-abiding people – that the police are thuggish, that they're pretty much another gang, that they are abusing their powers of stop-and-search and that they are treating people and speaking to people with such lack of dignity or respect that …"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...top-and-search

seven seas

This is why you don't want to address them, because they are laughable.

Another 'Straw Man'? I hired these people and filmed it just to make the EDL look stupid, right?

Norm_uk

Of course it's a Straw Man and a Slippery Slope. I am not a supporter of the EDL/BNP or any other group like them.

Once again, like a broken record you slide downwards into further fallacy.

N.