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Confucius Mar 24th 2010 1:51 am

A light speed question...
 
When a spaceship travels in light speed, there is no danger of collision...As soon as the spaceship goes to normal speed it finds itself in an asteroid field and collision is imminent...

Your thoughts...

Bonny Boy Mar 24th 2010 2:12 am

Re: A light speed question...
 
Why is there no danger of collision at light speed?

Light particles/waves are constantly colliding with objects - it's how a mirror works.

Jeeper Mar 24th 2010 2:12 am

Re: A light speed question...
 

Originally Posted by Confucius (Post 8444449)
When a spaceship travels in light speed, there is no danger of collision...As soon as the spaceship goes to normal speed it finds itself in an asteroid field and collision is imminent...

Your thoughts...

What if the normal speed of the spaceship is lightspeed?

littlejimmy Mar 24th 2010 2:12 am

Re: A light speed question...
 

Originally Posted by Confucius (Post 8444449)
When a spaceship travels in light speed, there is no danger of collision...As soon as the spaceship goes to normal speed it finds itself in an asteroid field and collision is imminent...

Your thoughts...

Someone's been watching The Empire Strikes Back.

Confucius Mar 24th 2010 2:13 am

Re: A light speed question...
 

Originally Posted by Bonny Boy (Post 8444498)
Why is there no danger of collision at light speed?

Light particles/waves are constantly colliding with objects - it's how a mirror works.

Still, doesn't make sense...

Confucius Mar 24th 2010 2:15 am

Re: A light speed question...
 

Originally Posted by Jeeper (Post 8444500)
What if the normal speed of the spaceship is lightspeed?

The Millenium Falcon made the Kessel Run in less than twelve parsecs, but still, it is a fast sprinter but that don't mean it only sprints...It can walk too...

Confucius Mar 24th 2010 2:16 am

Re: A light speed question...
 

Originally Posted by littlejimmy (Post 8444501)
Someone's been watching The Empire Strikes Back.

No...A New Hope...Hopefully Empire will be on after this...

Bonny Boy Mar 24th 2010 2:17 am

Re: A light speed question...
 

Originally Posted by Confucius (Post 8444503)
Still, doesn't make sense...

Well light obviously travels at the speed of light, and manages to collide with objects - it can't pass through them. (Excepting special cases eg glass etc.)


A spaceship would disintegrate if it hit a large enough object at speed, including light speed.

littlejimmy Mar 24th 2010 2:18 am

Re: A light speed question...
 

Originally Posted by Confucius (Post 8444508)
No...A New Hope...Hopefully Empire will be on after this...

Those aren't asteroids, it's the remains of Alderaan.

That's no moon....

I've got a bad feeling about this...

Confucius Mar 24th 2010 2:19 am

Re: A light speed question...
 

Originally Posted by Bonny Boy (Post 8444511)
Well light obviously travels at the speed of light, and manages to collide with objects - it can't pass through them.


A spaceship would disintegrate if it hit a large enough object at speed, including light speed.

Exactly...So how come in light speed the Millenium Falcon is not in danger, but as soon as it is in normal speed it starts dodging asteriods in the field...

Confucius Mar 24th 2010 2:19 am

Re: A light speed question...
 

Originally Posted by littlejimmy (Post 8444512)
Those aren't asteroids, it's the remains of Alderaan.

That's no moon....

I've got a bad feeling about this...

You also felt the tremor in the Force???

littlejimmy Mar 24th 2010 2:20 am

Re: A light speed question...
 
Anyway, a theoretical way to travel across space faster than light is to bend space and time with a gravity drive, bringing two points closer together...or maybe use wormholes with a Stargate at each end...or travel in a different dimension/universe altogether.


You also felt the tremor in the Force???
Yes, as if a million voices cried out and were suddenly silenced...

Confucius Mar 24th 2010 2:25 am

Re: A light speed question...
 

Originally Posted by littlejimmy (Post 8444523)
Anyway, a theoretical way to travel across space faster than light is to bend space and time with a gravity drive, bringing two points closer together...or maybe use wormholes with a Stargate at each end...or travel in a different dimension/universe altogether.



Yes, as if a million voices cried out and were suddenly silenced...

Hot damn...

Bonny Boy Mar 24th 2010 2:33 am

Re: A light speed question...
 

Originally Posted by Confucius (Post 8444515)
Exactly...So how come in light speed the Millenium Falcon is not in danger, but as soon as it is in normal speed it starts dodging asteriods in the field...

I presume this is a film?

They don't always stick with the facts you know.

littlejimmy Mar 24th 2010 2:40 am

Re: A light speed question...
 

Originally Posted by Bonny Boy (Post 8444537)
I presume this is a film?

They don't always stick with the facts you know.

Don't tell me you've never heard of Star Wars!


Hot damn...
Hot damn indeed, my young padawan. Of course, the energy required to bend space and time is inconceivable...maybe a million of ours suns. I'm sure SYB has something to add to this.

Sally Redux Mar 24th 2010 2:43 am

Re: A light speed question...
 

Originally Posted by littlejimmy (Post 8444523)
Anyway, a theoretical way to travel across space faster than light is to bend space and time with a gravity drive, bringing two points closer together...or maybe use wormholes with a Stargate at each end...

or Spice.

Confucius Mar 24th 2010 2:53 am

Re: A light speed question...
 

Originally Posted by Bonny Boy (Post 8444537)
I presume this is a film?

They don't always stick with the facts you know.

Not just any film; Star Wars!!!

Confucius Mar 24th 2010 2:55 am

Re: A light speed question...
 

Originally Posted by littlejimmy (Post 8444554)
Don't tell me you've never heard of Star Wars!


Hot damn indeed, my young padawan. Of course, the energy required to bend space and time is inconceivable...maybe a million of ours suns. I'm sure SYB has something to add to this.

Will wait for our Yoda to comment...

Bonny Boy Mar 24th 2010 3:02 am

Re: A light speed question...
 

Originally Posted by Confucius (Post 8444590)
Not just any film; Star Wars!!!

I can honestly say I have never seen it, nor have I any desire to do so. Isn't it just a 'cowboys and native americans' transferred to space type film?


Now '2001: A Space Odyssey' .....that's a film.

Confucius Mar 24th 2010 3:03 am

Re: A light speed question...
 

Originally Posted by Bonny Boy (Post 8444616)
I can honestly say I have never seen it, nor have I any desire to do so. Isn't it just a 'cowboys and native americans' transferred to space type film?


Now '2001: A Space Odyssey' .....that's a film.

Oh god...You must be from Tatauine...

spart Mar 24th 2010 3:09 am

Re: A light speed question...
 

Originally Posted by Confucius (Post 8444590)
Not just any film; Star Wars!!!

The scene with the chess pieces killing each other always bothered me..

spart Mar 24th 2010 3:11 am

Re: A light speed question...
 

Originally Posted by Bonny Boy (Post 8444616)
Isn't it just a 'cowboys and native americans' transferred to space type film?

Actually, not even close...

Confucius Mar 24th 2010 3:12 am

Re: A light speed question...
 

Originally Posted by spart (Post 8444642)
The scene with the chess pieces killing each other always bothered me..

That's Alice in Wonderland...You're talkin' hyperspace shit now...

Bonny Boy Mar 24th 2010 3:15 am

Re: A light speed question...
 

Originally Posted by spart (Post 8444648)
Actually, not even close...

The 'good' guys dressed in white fighting the 'bad' guys dressed in black....?

littlejimmy Mar 24th 2010 4:29 am

Re: A light speed question...
 

Originally Posted by Bonny Boy (Post 8444661)
The 'good' guys dressed in white fighting the 'bad' guys dressed in black....?

Ah, but it's not as simple as that. It's a story of fall and redemption, faith and love, wookies and ewoks...

Confucius Mar 24th 2010 4:30 am

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Originally Posted by littlejimmy (Post 8444852)
Ah, but it's not as simple as that. It's a story of fall and redemption, faith and love, wookies and ewoks...

And also green lightsabers and blue lightsabers...And also red lightsabers...

kittycat1 Mar 24th 2010 5:37 am

Re: A light speed question...
 
Bonny Boy- seriously how can you not have heard or seen space wars? it was the first film I saw at the cinema as a kid, I loved Luke Skywalker for years, then as I got older preferred Hans Solo and I think at one point I had a thing for Darth Vader.....and every man I've ever known loved Princess Leia!

It may be a bit dodgy but it is an absolute cult film/trilogy... not so sure about teh new ones and I think whoever created Jaja Binks should be shot!

Star Wars rocks! :thumbup:

littlejimmy Mar 24th 2010 6:07 am

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Originally Posted by Confucius (Post 8444855)
And also green lightsabers and blue lightsabers...And also red lightsabers...

Not forgetting bad ass Mace Windu's throbbing, purple sword.

Confucius Mar 24th 2010 6:08 am

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Originally Posted by littlejimmy (Post 8445121)
Not forgetting bad ass Mace Windu's throbbing, purple sword.

That guy was a pimp...

Arcadia Mar 24th 2010 6:24 am

Re: A light speed question...
 
I only found out yesterday that Darthvader is Luke's Dad:ohmy: AND princess leah is Lukes twin sister!!

Confucius Mar 24th 2010 6:27 am

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Originally Posted by Arcadia (Post 8445175)
I only found out yesterday that Darthvader is Luke's Dad:ohmy: AND princess leah is Lukes twin sister!!

I found that out for the 3rd time on Saturday...

MacScot Mar 24th 2010 8:36 am

Re: A light speed question...
 

Originally Posted by Confucius (Post 8444449)
When a spaceship travels in light speed, there is no danger of collision...As soon as the spaceship goes to normal speed it finds itself in an asteroid field and collision is imminent...

Your thoughts...

What's this got to do with sex...your'e off at a tangent ! :unsure:

Answer: the shields are at 100% as in Star Trek...so things just bonk off !

Confucius Mar 24th 2010 8:45 am

Re: A light speed question...
 

Originally Posted by MacScot (Post 8445605)
What's this got to do with sex...your'e off at a tangent ! :unsure:

Answer: the shields are at 100% as in Star Trek...so things just bonk off !

That time of year...

I also want to know, why don't put on seatbelts when in their spaceships, but in fighters they're fully strapped...

Autonomy Mar 24th 2010 8:50 am

Re: A light speed question...
 

Originally Posted by Bonny Boy (Post 8444616)
I can honestly say I have never seen it, nor have I any desire to do so. Isn't it just a 'cowboys and native americans' transferred to space type film?


Now '2001: A Space Odyssey' .....that's a film.

No it's not - I don't believe Akira Kurosawa was into westerns... redemption and revenge yes, stetsons no... George Lucas may have liked such things, but Star Wars was pretty much based on The Hidden Fortress and Kurosawa's Seven Samurai (so was The Guns of Navarone, Ocean's Eleven, The Dirty Dozen, and the western remake The Magnificent Seven)...

Autonomy Mar 24th 2010 9:06 am

Re: A light speed question...
 

Originally Posted by Confucius (Post 8444449)
When a spaceship travels in light speed, there is no danger of collision...As soon as the spaceship goes to normal speed it finds itself in an asteroid field and collision is imminent...

Your thoughts...

when you travel at the speed of light time stops... but to reach light speed your mass would have to approach zero otherwise the momentum / inertia would be too much

or

engage warp drive with the dilithium crystals...

or

the Infinite Improbability Drive where anything can happen....

do you know where your towel is?

don't panic.

shakh your bootie Mar 24th 2010 10:07 am

Re: A light speed question...
 

Originally Posted by Autonomy (Post 8445713)
when you travel at the speed of light time stops... but to reach light speed your mass would have to approach zero otherwise the momentum / inertia would be too much

or

engage warp drive with the dilithium crystals...

or

the Infinite Improbability Drive where anything can happen....

do you know where your towel is?

don't panic.

If I understand things correctly, when an object travels at the speed of light, time passes as normal in the reference frame of that object.

For a stationary observer, however, the measured time of that object will be longer by a factor proportional to the square root of 1-the ratio of the square of the object's speed over the square of the speed of light. According to the laws of mathematics, when the object's speed is equal to the speed of light, then for every tick of the object's clock an infinite amount of time will pass for the observer. Some physicists argue that this makes light speed travel for a non-zero mass particle impossible - ref the twins paradox.

There is, however, some experimental evidence to suggest that a particle called a tachyon does exist - this is a massless particle that travels above the speed of light.

That's pretty intriguing, because the math then says that the time dilation factor becomes the square root of a negative number, i.e. an imaginary number.

In math terms, that means that the time vector becomes 90 degrees out of phase with our own vector measure of time. In other words, it gets completely de-coupled from our own measure of time.

What that math translates to in terms of our human experience of time, I have no idea. Nor does anyone else, I believe.

Oh, and the same factor applies to the dimensions of the object too. As an object travels at greater speed, it's apparent euclidean dimensions also shrink.

Mind ****, eh?

The Dean Mar 24th 2010 10:46 am

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As I always say.............. if you're not sure, ask Eric Idle............


kittycat1 Mar 24th 2010 4:06 pm

Re: A light speed question...
 
Sci Fi geeks eh!

shakh your bootie Mar 24th 2010 4:41 pm

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Originally Posted by kittycat1 (Post 8446775)
Sci Fi geeks eh!

Oh, go and design me a new pair of boxer shorts if you've nothing more worthwhile to say....

TGFKASE Mar 24th 2010 5:26 pm

Re: A light speed question...
 

Originally Posted by shakh your bootie (Post 8445981)
If I understand things correctly, when an object travels at the speed of light, time passes as normal in the reference frame of that object.

For a stationary observer, however, the measured time of that object will be longer by a factor proportional to the square root of 1-the ratio of the square of the object's speed over the square of the speed of light. According to the laws of mathematics, when the object's speed is equal to the speed of light, then for every tick of the object's clock an infinite amount of time will pass for the observer. Some physicists argue that this makes light speed travel for a non-zero mass particle impossible - ref the twins paradox.

There is, however, some experimental evidence to suggest that a particle called a tachyon does exist - this is a massless particle that travels above the speed of light.

That's pretty intriguing, because the math then says that the time dilation factor becomes the square root of a negative number, i.e. an imaginary number.

In math terms, that means that the time vector becomes 90 degrees out of phase with our own vector measure of time. In other words, it gets completely de-coupled from our own measure of time.

What that math translates to in terms of our human experience of time, I have no idea. Nor does anyone else, I believe.

Oh, and the same factor applies to the dimensions of the object too. As an object travels at greater speed, it's apparent euclidean dimensions also shrink.

Mind ****, eh?

Can someone pass a babel fish? Thats all jibberish to me.......


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