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It reads like something from The Daily Mash.

IRTV 1 featured a protester proclaiming: "I speak on behalf of millions of British people who are opposed to the monarchist system."

http://www.thenational.ae/news/world...e-celebrations

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What we sweaties think of it all:
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Nice legs for her age..

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So would you?

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I enjoyed the 'protester' who claimed The Queen was 'undemocratic'...... that's right - and I hate the way she put VAT rates up last year, and cut the defence budget......... moron.........

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I seen a guy from the anti-monarchist crowd being interviewd on the beeb on the day of the Thames pageant - what a complete tit he made of himself -gave absolutely no sensible answers or justification for his views on anti-monarchy.

If thats the best they can do then they should end up in the tower for being complete morons.

i like the Royals btw....specially Zara....

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He has the right to be a twat if he wants. They are not blowing up people or asking for non-western and completely undemocratic systems of law and governance to be imposed. It's simply an ongoing debate about how we select our Head of State.

I would like to see some sort of elected monarch at the head of a British Republic myself but haven't got the time to fuss over it. The current Queen does a good job to be honest - a very good job. And if they can inspire a few Britons to act with a bit more class and decency that's not a bad thing either.

N.

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To paraphrase: A monarch as the head of state is the worst system, apart from all the others...

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The BBC are getting some heavyweight abuse about their TV coverage of the boats pageant flotilla jobby.............. I suppose asking Fearne Cotton to explain the significance of those boats which had taken part in the Dunkirk evacuations was a bit optimistic...... :huh:

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Personally I cant wait to see her majesty expire because I firmly believe that Charles as a king will do a better job in representing the new Britain, don't forget the Scots are voting on independance in 2015

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Ah yes........... the vote on becoming independent from England (let's be honest)....... while remaining in the European Union........ :banghead::banghead:

By the way, if my country (the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland) is going to be broken up, shouldn't everyone get a vote? It's just as important to residents in Gloucester as those in Glasgow..........

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They should hand it off to Harry, he seems the most happy-go-lucky and least stuffy of the bunch.

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this is exactly why 30% of scots would vote for independence tomorrow.
Its as valid an argument as saying asad should get a say in whether he leaves power, it makes no sense to do this and would lead to further dispute rather than resolution. The great what if is if Scotland voted for independence and England did not, then what? The scots should be forced to remain part of a union against their democratic wish? that situation would be ridiculous.
if the english, irish or welsh wish a vote then they should have one regarding their own independence or whether to remove scotland from the union.

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Fair enough - where can I vote?

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Wow, that is pretty brazen: taking a quote about democracy and twisting it to support hereditary monarchy? With the head of state (even non-executive ones like the UK has) as with governments, what really matters is not how you get them to begin with, which tends to be the process that attracts the criticism, but rather how you can get rid of the one you have. The most efficient system of government is a truly benign autocracy, as long as it remains benign. As this can never be assured indefinitely, an ejection mechanism is essential. The ability to jettison our rulers is the critical essence of democracy; compared to this, the process by which we acquire them is only incidentally significant. The current UK monarchy fails this test.

When you've got a decent head of state - and QE2 is an extremely effective one - you don't really care. But wait until her half-wit son ascends to the throne, and survives as long as his father; then let's see how popular the monarchy remains....

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I am not supporting the monarchy, just pointing out that no one has really got a better system.

I think that a hereditry monarchy is an anachronism in this day and age, but anyone elected seems to be corrupt/corruptable and probably no better. No idea what the best solution is. I'd also suggest that the people of the UK are so apathetic about every issue that they'll never seek to change the current system.

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I cut out a lot of the Bamber Gascoigne claptrap.

The Queen has no real impact on the rule of the country. The decision makers are voted in/out.

I quite like having the Royal Family around. Before people whinge about how much they cost, they do generate tourism to offset some of that cost.
Not as much of a waste as what is pissed/smoked away on benefits.

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Amen.

Also, who decided her son is a half-wit?

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Anyone who paid attention to:
- the ridiculous things he has said over the years (e.g. complaining about people who think they are entitled to get jobs which they have not earned - hello??);
- his ardent support for ridiculous and dangerous quackery, particularly homeopathy, even to the point of making completely inappropriate comments (for the heir to a constitutional monarchy) that it should be available on the NHS;
- his championing of hideous neo-traditional pastiche architecture by the likes of Quinlan Terry;
- his various clumsy abuses of position including using his public platform to promote causes which directly support his own business interests (such as organic food) and intervention to countermand the planning process of democratic bodies (as in his devious role in the Chelsea hospital developments);
- his complete lack of empathy and self-awareness demonstrated by his many, many stupid gaffes.

And this is without even mentioning his messy personal life.

This is the man who would be king? The Queen is a class act and never puts a foot wrong but this guy never opens his mouth without immediately inserting his foot in it.

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The only thing I know Prince C has done is this: save Bastakiya in Dubai. Not much I know, but by golly he actually managed it in the mid 1980s when the bulldozers were in place to knock it down, Charlie Boy was out playing polo with Sh Mo and the residents of Bastakiya put in a petition to Prince C to hand on to Sh Mo and hey-presto on the Saturday morning (pre modern w/ends) the bulldozers bu**ered off out of it. OK, it was modernized, but not bulldozed as Shindaga was. Not much, but for those of us living out here the man 'did his bit' with his usual stiff upper lip! Noted, it was the first place he made a bee line for when he revisited - just to make sure it was still standing, don't you know!

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Pity he didn't visit The Country Club a few years back then eh?

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And the Cyclone Club.............. or did he?

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Couldn't have, it closed.

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Precisely...... read again........ starting with YOUR post (23)......

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- PC Was not able to choose his job. His point is valid.
- My Mum loves homeopathy, what you or I think about it is irrelevant, the NHS have enough idiots in management to make their own decisions.
- You may not like QT's architecture, but I can guarantee that a lot of people DO. Irrelevant.
- PC owns organic food? Nobody else thinks that is a good idea? Can you not choose to buy organic food or not? Irrelevant.
- Chelsea Barracks - he said he didn't like what the Candy's had designed. Opinion.
- Your last point is again, just your opinion.

His personal life, whilst remaining in the public eye, really has very little to do with anyone else but himself and his family / friends.

I agree that the Queen provides us with a near-perfect monarch, fully aware of the role she fulfills. PC is, I think, cut from the same cloth, but only time will tell. I hope the Queen has many more years.

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Homeopathy is complete quackery. Sorry I should say that the evidence of efficacy and the scientific basis of homeopathy is highly questionable.
From the NHS website following a report from The Select Committee on Science and Technology:

What’s the major criticism of homeopathy?
The key criticism is that there is no reliable scientific evidence to suggest it is any more effective than a placebo. Normally, drugs that are no more effective than a placebo are judged ineffective and not given a licence or funded by the NHS. Prescribing placebo treatments, critics say, damages the trust that exists between doctors and their patients.

Critics of homeopathy say the reason the medicines are ineffective is because in homeopathic remedies the original substance is diluted to such an extent that no molecules of the substance remain in the remedy.

Homeopaths have argued that the critics are missing the point of the dilution process. The homeopaths claim it is not necessary for any of the original substance to remain as the dilution process somehow imprints a ‘memory’ of the substance into the water.



What did the Select Committee on Science and Technology conclude?
The Select Committee on Science and Technology concluded that:

•There is no evidence that homeopathy works beyond the placebo effect, which is a position that the Government agrees with.
•By providing homeopathy on the NHS, the Government runs the risk of appearing to endorse it as a working system of medicine. There is also the danger that when doctors prescribe placebos, they risk damaging the trust that exists between them and their patients.
•Given that the existing scientific literature shows no good evidence of efficacy, further clinical trials of homeopathy are not justified.


What was the Government’s response?
The Government has decided to continue to allow homeopathic hospitals and treatments to be received on the NHS, where local doctors recommend them.

It agrees that the efficacy of a treatment is important, but said there are many considerations when making policy decisions, and that patient choice is an important factor to consider.

“We believe that providing appropriate information for commissioners, clinicians and the public, and ensuring a strong ethical code for clinicians, remain the most effective ways to ensure quality outcomes, patient satisfaction and the appropriate use of NHS funding.

The Government also said that it noted the Committee’s view that allowing for the provision of homeopathy may risk seeming to endorse it, and that it would keep the position under review.



What does the Government Chief Scientific Adviser say?
The Government Chief Scientific Adviser has expressed his concern that the public may assume that NHS homeopathic treatments are ‘efficacious’, whereas the principal reason for their availability is to provide patient choice.

To enable the public to make informed choices, he will work with the Department of Health to ensure that the public has access to clear information on the evidence for homeopathy.

His position, as stated in the Government response, remains that “the evidence of efficacy and the scientific basis of homeopathy is highly questionable”.

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Yeah, so in essence, what I said is completely correct...

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All of these things would be fine if he were a private citizen. Alas he is not.

As a hereditary constitutional monarch it is simply wrong for him to be taking positions on controversial matters and applying pressure to government (letters to ministers etc.). In the Chelsea case he wrote a letter to the Al Thanis (the ultimate owners of the site) which meant by protocol (of reciprocal sycophancy of feudal monarchies - the same thing that has enabled that obviously fabricated Bastakiya myth to take hold) they had to intervene in his favour. This was completely underhanded and unethical behaviour from any public figure, much less the unelected HoS in waiting.

Worse yet is that it is an outrageous conflict of interest for him to use his inherited public platform to promote completely unscientific (and potentially dangerous) claims that directly support his own business interests. MPs and peers have to declare a register of interests and recuse themselves from matters that affect their personal business. The head of state - especially an unelected one - should be held to an even higher standard. As it is, as heir he is allowed to ride roughshod and unchallenged over all standard rules of ethics in public life.

Forcing the NHS to spend large amounts of time and money evaluating homeopathy and other "alternative therapies" which have already been thoroughly discredited is a criminal waste of very scarce taxpayer resources. That money could be funding the latest cancer treatments or better care for dementia patients. That it is happening all because of the ignorant vanity of one of Britain's richest men, who is also the beneficiary of the public purse, should have people reacting in the time-honoured Brisitsh fashion: with a riot!

Whether or not people like Quinlan Terry's architecture is not the point; the point is that the heir to the throne has no place promoting him above others whose work has been subject to the public planning process.

The queen makes it all look too easy. It isn't and this nicompoop is clearly not up to the job. And there is no constitutional way to get rid of him.....

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All of the above is basically your opinion on things that he has done / not done.

What's your opinion on something like the Prince's Trust?

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opinion is irrelevant its a matter of protocol, something the queen understands very well which he singularly fails to.
the monarchy has no political opinion, policy opinion or any other opinion or position officially

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I think the bloke is allowed an opinion. I fail to see whether you or I agree with it has any real relevance when he has zero power to make a new law / rule / whatever.

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that's the problem he exerts power and influence hence the protocol for the monarchy not having opinions.
the queen in 60 years has yet to give an interview or say anything publicly that wasn't fairly banal, the last time she did it was an annus horribilus that she lived to regret

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Only robber Barons in Scotland and England got a vote when James became King of Scotland and King of England. The future of the union will now be decided by only robber politicians (and a former James Bond who watches too much Mel Gibson) and their spin in Scotland it seems.

A real democratic move would be to put it to vote throughout the entire Union...and anyone with a brain would know Scotland would suffer in the EU, just like Ireland have.

N.

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I understand your point. Do you think he will be a poor King?

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ten-15 years ago yes, now less so but i do think he will **** up spectacularly at least a couple of times, doesnt have much sense let alone common

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Originally Posted by Miss Anne Thrope
All of these things would be fine if he were a private citizen. Alas he is not.

As a hereditary constitutional monarch it is simply wrong for him to be taking positions on controversial matters and applying pressure to government (letters to ministers etc.). In the Chelsea case he wrote a letter to the Al Thanis (the ultimate owners of the site) which meant by protocol (of reciprocal sycophancy of feudal monarchies - the same thing that has enabled that obviously fabricated Bastakiya myth to take hold) they had to intervene in his favour.

This was NOT fabricated. I saw the Petition, know the person who wrote it and we watched while it was delivered into the British Embassy. We also were kept informed of its progress throughout the weekend. It was a very big deal at the time, and luckily worked.

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Exactly how has Ireland suffered due to the EU? Evidently the Irish voters who have just ratified the fiscal stability treaty don't feel the same way.