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claimsboys Jan 26th 2013 7:16 am

Re: The good old NHS.
 

Originally Posted by scot47 (Post 10507254)
I had an American visiting when the District Nurse came to check on me and change a dressing on an ulcerated foot. He was amazed. No such facility had he seen in his homeland, the richest coiuntry on Planet Terra !

Eternal Glory to Nye Bevan !

Sounds nasty?

"Coiuntry"

Eva Jan 26th 2013 7:36 am

Re: The good old NHS.
 

Originally Posted by claimsboys (Post 10506670)
Not sure, but I pay a lot.

Thanks for replying.
I was curious to know what- as a current stakeholder- you would suggest could
improve the service?

I concur with many who have commented thus far in this thread.
The NHS is a wonderful institution and as Meow states,the few bad (unacceptable for sure) episodes stir up a frenzy while the many,many examples of compassionate& caring nursing exhibited by thousands within the NHS are hardly if ever highlighted.

Desert Dubliner Jan 26th 2013 8:07 am

Re: The good old NHS.
 

Originally Posted by scot47 (Post 10507254)
I had an American visiting when the District Nurse came to check on me and change a dressing on an ulcerated foot. He was amazed. No such facility had he seen in his homeland, the richest country on Planet Terra !

Eternal Glory to Nye Bevan !

Bloody hell!! They still use leaches and rusty knives in the US! Thanks god the UK has the NHS so people don't die on the streets from an ulcerated foot like in the US.

Eva Jan 26th 2013 8:13 am

Re: The good old NHS.
 

Originally Posted by Desert Dubliner (Post 10507325)
Bloody hell!! They still use leaches and rusty knives in the US! Thanks god the UK has the NHS so people don't die on the streets from an ulcerated foot like in the US.

Or on a gurney,outside a treatment area because their credit card is maxed up or expired.

Ozzidoc Jan 26th 2013 8:18 am

Re: The good old NHS.
 

Originally Posted by Eva (Post 10507333)
Or on a gurney,outside a treatment area because their credit card is maxed up or expired.

Delurking for a minute....

I guess you haven't visited a NHS emergency dept lately? We are back to the trolley waits outside a treatment area, sometimes for several hours.

DoI: NHS physician.

Relurking...

Desert Dubliner Jan 26th 2013 8:22 am

Re: The good old NHS.
 

Originally Posted by Eva (Post 10507333)
Or on a gurney,outside a treatment area because their credit card is maxed up or expired.

Yes. It's a common occurrence. Luckily the Americans are armed to the tooth so those without means to pay when thrown out of hospital in terminal pain are promptly subjected to mercy killing by random passers by.

Eva Jan 26th 2013 8:33 am

Re: The good old NHS.
 

Originally Posted by Ozzidoc (Post 10507340)
Delurking for a minute....

I guess you haven't visited a NHS emergency dept lately? We are back to the trolley waits outside a treatment area, sometimes for several hours.

DoI: NHS physician.

Relurking...

Hi Doc,

Thankfully not.
Now I have an urgent need to touch wood...

I am not saying the NHS is Nirvana for the sick,of course it is cash strapped and equipped with archaic tools in some areas however I remain convinced that the ethos of caring has not been compromised by coercing the sick for an insurance payment..

May I ask why you choose to work in an NHS establishment?- if I recall,you are
Antipodean with an American spouse.Then again, I might need an appointment at a geriatric clinic!Whatever- I know the NHS is richer for your service.
Best Regards.

Eva Jan 26th 2013 8:35 am

Re: The good old NHS.
 

Originally Posted by Desert Dubliner (Post 10507343)
Yes. It's a common occurrence. Luckily the Americans are armed to the tooth so those without means to pay when thrown out of hospital in terminal pain are promptly subjected to mercy killing by random passers by.

Why waste hardware,pelt them with Kinder eggs..

Desert Dubliner Jan 26th 2013 8:39 am

Re: The good old NHS.
 

Originally Posted by Eva (Post 10507365)
Why waste hardware,pelt them with Kinder eggs..

Didn't you hear that war is good for the economy? Firing a gun at a dying patient is the same only on smaller scale. Each bullet fired increases the GDP and helps the military industrial complex that rules the US. This is why mercy killing by means of gun is welcome in the US.

scot47 Jan 26th 2013 9:16 am

Re: The good old NHS.
 
Paying NI Contributions is not what leads to NHS entitlement. It was under the old Lloyd George scheme which ran from 1911 to 1948. We have moved on since then. It is a question of residence.

Eva Jan 26th 2013 9:39 am

Re: The good old NHS.
 

Originally Posted by scot47 (Post 10507414)
Paying NI Contributions is not what leads to NHS entitlement. It was under the old Lloyd George scheme which ran from 1911 to 1948. We have moved on since then. It is a question of residence.

The 1911 legislation was amended( and expanded upon) by Labour Govt in 1948
coinciding with Aunearin Bevin's intro of NHS.

Yes, Residence is pertinent.

But tell me this,is it right that a UK national who contributed to N.I.& paid tax for 30 odd years should be disqualified from care after living abroad for two years?

Bob Jan 26th 2013 12:42 pm

Re: The good old NHS.
 

Originally Posted by NorthernLad (Post 10506879)
Americans I work with still marvel at the NHS, I think some Brits often lose sight of how good it is.

Aye, you don't realise how good the over all healthcare service is, until you don't have it and how much the US system costs for those not in top jobs, especially for large number of people who have mediocre coverage :/

Bob Jan 26th 2013 12:46 pm

Re: The good old NHS.
 

Originally Posted by Ozzidoc (Post 10507340)
Delurking for a minute....

I guess you haven't visited a NHS emergency dept lately? We are back to the trolley waits outside a treatment area, sometimes for several hours.

DoI: NHS physician.

Relurking...

Don't get lumped with a huge bill for sitting on your tod though do you.

The missus, even with our pretty good insurance was still sitting on a trolley, in a hall way for 8 hours when she had to go to the ER.

The level of care, once she got it was good....but it's no better than the NHS...and the bill was huge, even after the insurance...and this was a top hospital :/

Ozzidoc Jan 26th 2013 5:17 pm

Re: The good old NHS.
 

Originally Posted by Eva (Post 10507362)
Hi Doc,


May I ask why you choose to work in an NHS establishment?- if I recall,you are
Antipodean with an American spouse.Then again, I might need an appointment at a geriatric clinic!Whatever- I know the NHS is richer for your service.
Best Regards.


Good memory. Hubby is a Brit though. We are not yet US citizens.

I can't work as a doctor in the USA in my field unless I do so via a training (residency) program, and these are very difficult to get appointed to.

So I'm training in the USA and commuting between home and work every few weeks.

I'm grateful for the European working-time directive which ultimately makes this possible.

Desert Dubliner Jan 26th 2013 6:17 pm

Re: The good old NHS.
 

Originally Posted by Eva (Post 10507438)
But tell me this,is it right that a UK national who contributed to N.I.& paid tax for 30 odd years should be disqualified from care after living abroad for two years?

Well, that's what you get when the system is based on 'free' 'entitlements' and not based on what-you-pay-is-what-you-get.


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