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alfrombarking Sep 9th 2012 2:20 am

French Alps Assassinations: KIDON ?
 
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/...58_966x999.jpg



The word is British media has been given the D notice so you know they're all towing the line..blame the brother etc

well....its all down to the boys and girls from המוסד למודיעין ולתפקידים מיוחדים

The Dean Sep 9th 2012 3:10 am

Re: French Alps Assassinations: KIDON ?
 

Originally Posted by alfrombarking (Post 10270970)
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/...58_966x999.jpg



The word is British media has been given the D notice so you know they're all towing the line..blame the brother etc

well....its all down to the boys and girls from המוסד למודיעין ולתפקידים מיוחדים

Good graphic.............

abbey08 Sep 9th 2012 7:23 am

Re: French Alps Assassinations: KIDON ?
 
Iranian execution of french scientist (the cyclist) family are collateral damage.

Any takers?

alfrombarking Sep 9th 2012 10:09 am

Re: French Alps Assassinations: KIDON ?
 
Mail breaks the D Notice and goes rogue ...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...on-target.html

alfrombarking Sep 9th 2012 10:34 am

Re: French Alps Assassinations: KIDON ?
 

Originally Posted by The Dean (Post 10270988)
Good graphic.............

Yup from the the daily groan for the thickos, some of us KNEW were were being told a load of old COBBLERS!

alfrombarking Sep 9th 2012 10:41 am

Re: French Alps Assassinations: KIDON ?
 

Originally Posted by abbey08 (Post 10271124)
Iranian execution of french scientist (the cyclist) family are collateral damage.

Any takers?

I place my bet on KIDON and not the Iranians because of this:

he worked for SSTL:

"Surrey Satellite Technology Limited (SSTL) is the world's leading small satellite company, delivering operational space missions for a range of applications including Earth observation, science and communications. The Company designs, manufactures and operates high performance satellites and ground systems for a fraction of the price normally associated with space missions, with 500 staff working on turnkey satellite platforms, space-proven satellite subsystems and optical instruments."


SSTL's statement:

On behalf of Surrey Satellite Technology Ltd, Dr Matt Perkins, CEO has issued the following statement.

I am deeply shocked and saddened to confirm that one of SSTL’s long-term contractors, Saad Al-Hilli, has been formally identified as one of the victims of the shootings which occurred in the French Alps.

Saad worked at SSTL as a Mechanical Design Engineer from November 2010. Saad’s colleagues will remember him as an experienced and committed engineer who worked as part of a tightly knit team. He was a personal friend to many of our staff here.

Saad will be greatly missed and our thoughts are with his family and loved ones at this very difficult and traumatic time. We are a close family at SSTL and our staff are understandably very upset by this event. I ask the media to respect their privacy as they come to terms with this terrible news.

There will be no further statement.


Here is his linked in account:
http://tinyurl.com/8uqokjq

He has no connections.

But also gets more interesting here:


Surrey Satellite Technology Ltd. (SSTL) has plans to beef up planetary monitoring capabilities with its new NovaSAR satellite, and the company just received £21 million from the UK government to make it happen. NovaSAR works using synthetic aperture radar, so it can see through clouds (unlike optical satellites) and offers its services for £45 million -- or 20 percent of the cost of existing space radar platforms. With governmental funding in hand, SSTL can begin to develop and build its first such satellite, and the plan is to put it in orbit in two or three years. If NovaSAR does what it's been designed to do, SSTL hopes it can sell and launch enough of them so that any place on earth can be under its gaze in less than 24 hours. We're all for improving disaster relief efforts, but if you spy these sats overhead on a clear night, we recommend keeping an ear to the ground in case they're guiding an army of Alpha Dogs your way.

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget....-in-flight.jpg

http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/29/s...kicks-in-21-m/

Boomhauer Sep 9th 2012 10:43 am

Re: French Alps Assassinations: KIDON ?
 
" He said another area French police may explore is whether a Middle Eastern group may have been involved. 'The Iranians, for example, are desperate to acquire cutting-edge technology which they cannot legally obtain. If somehow they were either getting it from Mr Al-Hilli, or hoped to get it from him and he refused, they would not think twice about killing him."

Never miss an opportunity to bang the war drums against Iran.

The Dean Sep 9th 2012 12:38 pm

Re: French Alps Assassinations: KIDON ?
 

Originally Posted by alfrombarking (Post 10271365)
I place my bet on KIDON and not the Iranians because of this:

he worked for SSTL:

"Surrey Satellite Technology Limited (SSTL) is the world's leading small satellite company, delivering operational space missions for a range of applications including Earth observation, science and communications. The Company designs, manufactures and operates high performance satellites and ground systems for a fraction of the price normally associated with space missions, with 500 staff working on turnkey satellite platforms, space-proven satellite subsystems and optical instruments."


SSTL's statement:

On behalf of Surrey Satellite Technology Ltd, Dr Matt Perkins, CEO has issued the following statement.

I am deeply shocked and saddened to confirm that one of SSTL’s long-term contractors, Saad Al-Hilli, has been formally identified as one of the victims of the shootings which occurred in the French Alps.

Saad worked at SSTL as a Mechanical Design Engineer from November 2010. Saad’s colleagues will remember him as an experienced and committed engineer who worked as part of a tightly knit team. He was a personal friend to many of our staff here.

Saad will be greatly missed and our thoughts are with his family and loved ones at this very difficult and traumatic time. We are a close family at SSTL and our staff are understandably very upset by this event. I ask the media to respect their privacy as they come to terms with this terrible news.

There will be no further statement.


Here is his linked in account:
http://tinyurl.com/8uqokjq

He has no connections.

But also gets more interesting here:


Surrey Satellite Technology Ltd. (SSTL) has plans to beef up planetary monitoring capabilities with its new NovaSAR satellite, and the company just received £21 million from the UK government to make it happen. NovaSAR works using synthetic aperture radar, so it can see through clouds (unlike optical satellites) and offers its services for £45 million -- or 20 percent of the cost of existing space radar platforms. With governmental funding in hand, SSTL can begin to develop and build its first such satellite, and the plan is to put it in orbit in two or three years. If NovaSAR does what it's been designed to do, SSTL hopes it can sell and launch enough of them so that any place on earth can be under its gaze in less than 24 hours. We're all for improving disaster relief efforts, but if you spy these sats overhead on a clear night, we recommend keeping an ear to the ground in case they're guiding an army of Alpha Dogs your way.

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget....-in-flight.jpg

http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/29/s...kicks-in-21-m/

Would a guy with a job like that be out on holiday with his family, no bodyguards, etc?

OleJanx Sep 9th 2012 12:55 pm

Re: French Alps Assassinations: KIDON ?
 

Originally Posted by The Dean (Post 10271521)
Would a guy with a job like that be out on holiday with his family, no bodyguards, etc?

Exactly. Doesn't really seem the type for caravaning.

Millhouse Sep 9th 2012 1:16 pm

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Would a guy with a job like that be out on holiday with his family, no bodyguards, etc?
Eh? Why would a scientist living in Europe have a body guard?? He was only a mechanical engineer and probably did something very dull like designing the bracket for the solar panels. Do you think the NASA rover guys all have bodyguards?


Originally Posted by OleJanx (Post 10271548)
Exactly. Doesn't really seem the type for caravaning.

On what basis do you conclude that? I doubt his job was that highly paid and the Alps would be a great place to tour in a motor home.

He was a spy who was popped off the Dr Kelly killer. That is my (well, actually, my maids but I buy it) conclusion.

scrubbedexpat141 Sep 9th 2012 1:19 pm

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My sister works for an Israeli satellite company. I hope she get's a bodyguard.

britexpat76 Sep 9th 2012 1:33 pm

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Originally Posted by Scamp (Post 10271574)
My sister works for an Israeli satellite company. I hope she get's a bodyguard.

Dont you worry Scamp, I keep a very close eye on your sister.

The Dean Sep 9th 2012 1:54 pm

Re: French Alps Assassinations: KIDON ?
 

Originally Posted by Millhouse (Post 10271565)
Eh? Why would a scientist living in Europe have a body guard?? He was only a mechanical engineer and probably did something very dull like designing the bracket for the solar panels. Do you think the NASA rover guys all have bodyguards?



On what basis do you conclude that? I doubt his job was that highly paid and the Alps would be a great place to tour in a motor home.

He was a spy who was popped off the Dr Kelly killer. That is my (well, actually, my maids but I buy it) conclusion.

No - I just meant that if alfrombarking's theory was right, he'd be under some sort of protection, surely?

abbey08 Sep 9th 2012 5:22 pm

Re: French Alps Assassinations: KIDON ?
 
No way would Mossad create such collateral damage outside Palestine.

The guy would have been whacked on his own if it was KIDON - if this was state sponsored (and it has that MO) it was by a pariah state that has no real friends and does not care who it upsets.

Boomhauer Sep 9th 2012 6:00 pm

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The dead cyclist worked as a metallurgist for Cezus,an Areva company. Yes that Areva.

http://www.cezus-consult.com/page/
http://www.areva.com/EN/operations-9...zirconium.html

Dead cyclist named by French press


Le Messager reports that the name of the dead cyclist, according to its information, is Sylvain Mollier, from Ugine, approximately 16km from Chevaline. It says he worked in metallurgy for Cezus, a metal manufacturing company.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...-shooting-live

OleJanx Sep 9th 2012 6:14 pm

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^^Coincidence?

Boomhauer Sep 9th 2012 6:38 pm

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Originally Posted by OleJanx (Post 10271919)
^^Coincidence?

Nah, it happens all the time, that nuclear engineers die in random drive-bys.

---

Ok back on topic, I really don't know. Agnostic on whether either was offed by a government. If it was a government hit, I would say these are the likely candidates , in no particular order: Russia, Israel, Pakistan, Iran. Israel and Russia are most capable / have the skill. Though the nature of the killing (family dead) may rule out Israel and Russia, it might just as well be a botched assasination .

the_red_sheep Sep 9th 2012 6:53 pm

Re: French Alps Assassinations: KIDON ?
 
While much of the assassination seems professional, they potentially had to kill one witness, the cyclist, if we believe she wasn't a target, and also (thankfully) left two living witnesses, the children, seemingly without ever even realising one of them was there. That seems to me too make it look a slightly less professional job.

While we're throwing the axis of evil countries into the pot as candidates, North Korea anyone?

alfrombarking Sep 10th 2012 12:44 am

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In my opinion they should have finished the job...those kids are now lose ends.

alfrombarking Sep 10th 2012 12:48 am

Re: French Alps Assassinations: KIDON ?
 

Originally Posted by The Dean (Post 10271521)
Would a guy with a job like that be out on holiday with his family, no bodyguards, etc?

This RAF geezer needs to be looked at more closely. Why was he out there in the first place in such a remote part of france. Whats wrong with lake district or the brecon beacons?

Was he out with his family and went off on his own to have some my time. I wouldnt rule him out for the killings either.

flares Sep 10th 2012 10:52 am

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19540445

Bomb squad now at victim's house. Found an IED (maybe)

alfrombarking Sep 11th 2012 2:25 am

Re: French Alps Assassinations: KIDON ?
 

Originally Posted by saudiflares (Post 10272968)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19540445

Bomb squad now at victim's house. Found an IED (maybe)

well...did you see a brick layer neighbour who owns a 1m property?

Looks like the SIS and 'the competition' are managing the entire thing and very soon this will be shifted to the mullahs...it will sound good to the masses

The Dean Sep 11th 2012 2:42 am

Re: French Alps Assassinations: KIDON ?
 
So is this going to become one of those conspiracy theories that actually turns out to be true? How exciting.............

flares Sep 11th 2012 2:55 am

Re: French Alps Assassinations: KIDON ?
 

Originally Posted by alfrombarking (Post 10274272)
well...did you see a brick layer neighbour who owns a 1m property?

I know of a few very welthy bricklayers in the stockbroker belt. Loadsamoney charachter had to be based on someone

alfrombarking Sep 11th 2012 2:59 am

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So, now the wife (and i presume her mother) turn out to be Iranian according to this article - this is the first I have heard of this:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...-1226471709164



I notice that same article is the first to mentions the CZ made weapon

btw

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-yFW9EwwvWK...alhilli025.jpg

The Dean Sep 11th 2012 3:05 am

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Originally Posted by saudiflares (Post 10274303)
I know of a few very welthy bricklayers in the stockbroker belt. Loadsamoney charachter had to be based on someone

Back home recently, the 'cheapest' plumber I could find charged 60 pounds an hour..... I can't even begin to imagine what brickies charge.

alfrombarking Sep 11th 2012 3:35 am

Re: French Alps Assassinations: KIDON ?
 

Originally Posted by The Dean (Post 10274287)
So is this going to become one of those conspiracy theories that actually turns out to be true? How exciting.............

It seems to me likely that al Hilli was due to meet the French cyclist – for whatever reason. That both of them were under suspicion of cooperation with Iran. Probably suspected by the Israelis. And that they were both shot for this reason. Al Hilli’s wife and mother in law could have been shot as a warning to others. Or just because they were there.

It’s perfectly possible that the ex-RAF guy is legit, lives in the area, and was out for a cycle. There is no reason to think the older girl was “tortured”. She probably left the car before the shooting took place, and on coming back, was shot at and hit on the head. When the mother had seen gunmen approaching, she had pushed the 4-year-old girl down and told her to hide. There is no reason to think the little girl used the words “good guys and bad guys” – that was indirect speech, words used by Maillaud.



If al Hilli had been leaving the previous camp site on his own several times a day, perhaps the killers were surprised to find him there with a car full of people. They killed the two women, but didn’t expect the children. Weren’t prepared for them. So they dealt with the older girl as quickly as possible and missed the younger one completely. They had limited time and had to get away.

Questions remaining:

Why did the ex-RAF guy not hear the shooting? Or did he? Do we have any idea where the 4×4 and the motorbike are supposed to have been when seen by him? Did they pass him on their way down when he was still on his way up?

OleJanx Sep 11th 2012 8:32 am

Re: French Alps Assassinations: KIDON ?
 

Originally Posted by The Dean (Post 10274287)
So is this going to become one of those conspiracy theories that actually turns out to be true? How exciting.............

Next they'll be looking for a white Fiat Uno...

Cypselos Sep 11th 2012 9:32 am

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Surely they're all rust coloured by now.

Kix Sep 11th 2012 11:04 am

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Originally Posted by Cypselos (Post 10274764)
Surely they're all rust coloured by now.

Whooosh!

Cypselos Sep 12th 2012 8:34 am

Re: French Alps Assassinations: KIDON ?
 
Oh no.

alfrombarking Sep 14th 2012 5:19 am

Re: French Alps Assassinations: KIDON ?
 
Beretta 7/65 m.m. which has a .25 caliber (quite small) bullet.

Who uses them?

MI5
MI6
Deutch BND
France’s SDECE (secret services operating international and not on French territory)
Israel’s Mossad.

abbey08 Oct 26th 2012 1:46 pm

Re: French Alps Assassinations: KIDON ?
 
My conspiracy theory deepens:-

UK Oil exec executed in Belgium was victim number 2 of iranian death squad operating in central europe. Cyclist (who worked in French nuclear industry) was victim number 1. Family in Alps - collateral damage.

Any takers?

The Dean Oct 27th 2012 5:18 am

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Originally Posted by abbey08 (Post 10351091)
My conspiracy theory deepens:-

UK Oil exec executed in Belgium was victim number 2 of iranian death squad operating in central europe. Cyclist (who worked in French nuclear industry) was victim number 1. Family in Alps - collateral damage.

Any takers?

Any evidence? Any links?

abbey08 Oct 27th 2012 6:37 am

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http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/u...cle3581695.ece

abbey08 Oct 27th 2012 6:56 am

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http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...akthrough.html

Later denied in French media.

britexpat76 Oct 27th 2012 7:03 am

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Some of the UK press had picked up on that and claimed the cyclist was the intended and 1st target hit. I don't think anyone will ever find out who did it, until someone defects and spills the beans

Boomhauer Oct 27th 2012 3:02 pm

Re: French Alps Assassinations: KIDON ?
 
In no particular order of plausibility:

Russians
Israelis
Iranians

Bahtatboy Oct 28th 2012 5:25 am

Re: French Alps Assassinations: KIDON ?
 
Al Hilli's father received £840k from Saddam Hussein. That's a twist...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-massacre.html

britexpat76 Oct 28th 2012 5:36 am

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Originally Posted by Boomhauer (Post 10352833)
In no particular order of plausibility:

Russians
Israelis
Iranians

Jason Bourne. He does have a new movie out soon.


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