Events in Egypt
Feb 1st 2011, 4:01 pm
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Re: Events in Egypt
The rich in Egypt are far too westernised to give up their lifestyle to the MB.
The poor also will be wary of them.
The two extremes will hopefully want something different.
I taught the son of Ayman Nour (leader of the 'tomorrow party') when he was incarcerated in jail for speaking out against Mubarak. He is a decent bloke with more balanced opinions.
Hopefully he (or someone like him) will succeed.
The poor also will be wary of them.
The two extremes will hopefully want something different.
I taught the son of Ayman Nour (leader of the 'tomorrow party') when he was incarcerated in jail for speaking out against Mubarak. He is a decent bloke with more balanced opinions.
Hopefully he (or someone like him) will succeed.
Feb 1st 2011, 5:45 pm
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Re: Events in Egypt
It's one of the reasons I like Bahrainis - no exagerated sense of self-importance.
Feb 1st 2011, 7:00 pm
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Re: Events in Egypt
Mubarak to step down but not before September's scheduled elections. That is hardly going to appease the opposition...Egyptian state TV are currently showing pro-Mubarak supporters waving banners in support of the President...oh dear.
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Feb 1st 2011, 7:02 pm
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Re: Events in Egypt
The rich in Egypt are far too westernised to give up their lifestyle to the MB.
The poor also will be wary of them.
The two extremes will hopefully want something different.
I taught the son of Ayman Nour (leader of the 'tomorrow party') when he was incarcerated in jail for speaking out against Mubarak. He is a decent bloke with more balanced opinions.
Hopefully he (or someone like him) will succeed.
The poor also will be wary of them.
The two extremes will hopefully want something different.
I taught the son of Ayman Nour (leader of the 'tomorrow party') when he was incarcerated in jail for speaking out against Mubarak. He is a decent bloke with more balanced opinions.
Hopefully he (or someone like him) will succeed.
The MB are nothing like they were in the 1950's and 60's. Then, they really were vicious, violent reactionaries.........and in the pay of Washington.
One thing that has amazed me over the last week or so is the ignorance of commentators - including some Egyptians - of the history of politics in Egypt. The claim has been made several times that Egypt has never had a revolution in thousands of years of history and yet I count 3, 1882, 1919 and 1952. Now 2011, even if ultimately defeated, makes 4 in the modern era which must make Egyptians premier league when it comes to revolution.
Feb 1st 2011, 7:56 pm
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Re: Events in Egypt
Even the Muslim Brotherhood - seemingly everyone's favourite bogeymen - don't fall into that category.
The MB are nothing like they were in the 1950's and 60's. Then, they really were vicious, violent reactionaries.........and in the pay of Washington.
One thing that has amazed me over the last week or so is the ignorance of commentators - including some Egyptians - of the history of politics in Egypt. The claim has been made several times that Egypt has never had a revolution in thousands of years of history and yet I count 3, 1882, 1919 and 1952. Now 2011, even if ultimately defeated, makes 4 in the modern era which must make Egyptians premier league when it comes to revolution.
The MB are nothing like they were in the 1950's and 60's. Then, they really were vicious, violent reactionaries.........and in the pay of Washington.
One thing that has amazed me over the last week or so is the ignorance of commentators - including some Egyptians - of the history of politics in Egypt. The claim has been made several times that Egypt has never had a revolution in thousands of years of history and yet I count 3, 1882, 1919 and 1952. Now 2011, even if ultimately defeated, makes 4 in the modern era which must make Egyptians premier league when it comes to revolution.
Feb 2nd 2011, 12:23 am
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Re: Events in Egypt
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scorched_earth
He has gone through the exact same phases that Ben Ali went through
1. He said he would enact reforms.
2 He said he would not run for presidency again and that he would fix the chaos.
3. He said he would resign and then he left the country.
Mubarak just passed phase 2
The 11 Countries At Risk of Becoming The Next Egypt
http://www.businessinsider.com/the-next-egypt-2011-1#
He has gone through the exact same phases that Ben Ali went through
1. He said he would enact reforms.
2 He said he would not run for presidency again and that he would fix the chaos.
3. He said he would resign and then he left the country.
Mubarak just passed phase 2
The 11 Countries At Risk of Becoming The Next Egypt
http://www.businessinsider.com/the-next-egypt-2011-1#
Feb 2nd 2011, 12:43 am
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Re: Events in Egypt
Omanis are even better in that regard, i.e. no averse to taking blue collar jobs. I would dearly love to see some alternative to oil in my lifetime, if nothing else just to see the haughty Saudis brought down several notches.
Feb 2nd 2011, 12:48 am
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Re: Events in Egypt
Even the Muslim Brotherhood - seemingly everyone's favourite bogeymen - don't fall into that category.
The MB are nothing like they were in the 1950's and 60's. Then, they really were vicious, violent reactionaries.........and in the pay of Washington.
One thing that has amazed me over the last week or so is the ignorance of commentators - including some Egyptians - of the history of politics in Egypt. The claim has been made several times that Egypt has never had a revolution in thousands of years of history and yet I count 3, 1882, 1919 and 1952. Now 2011, even if ultimately defeated, makes 4 in the modern era which must make Egyptians premier league when it comes to revolution.
The MB are nothing like they were in the 1950's and 60's. Then, they really were vicious, violent reactionaries.........and in the pay of Washington.
One thing that has amazed me over the last week or so is the ignorance of commentators - including some Egyptians - of the history of politics in Egypt. The claim has been made several times that Egypt has never had a revolution in thousands of years of history and yet I count 3, 1882, 1919 and 1952. Now 2011, even if ultimately defeated, makes 4 in the modern era which must make Egyptians premier league when it comes to revolution.
Israel/Netanyahu has been critical of Obama for the mild vocla support Obama gave to the pro democrasy Egyptian movement. What is it we hear all the time, how Israel is the only democrasy in the region, and ofcourse Israel and her US allies make dam sure no other democrasy emerges in the MidEast unless it is Iran or Syria.
Feb 2nd 2011, 4:47 am
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Re: Events in Egypt
I worked in the 'British International School Cairo'
...
"Where are you going on your summer holidays Nour?"
" we are going to stay in the Dubai Hilton for a week, then our villa in Capri, then our apartment iin Paris, then our apartment in London. We will spend our last 2 weeks in Sharm on our yacht"
Obscene.
...
"Where are you going on your summer holidays Nour?"
" we are going to stay in the Dubai Hilton for a week, then our villa in Capri, then our apartment iin Paris, then our apartment in London. We will spend our last 2 weeks in Sharm on our yacht"
Obscene.
That thin stratum at the top of Egyptian society is, as you say, obscenely rich. And then you travel round a bit and see so much deep poverty; I worked in Beni Suef, which had the dubious honour of being recognised by the WHO as the poorest city in the World. The contrast is stomach-churning.
Feb 2nd 2011, 4:54 am
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My elder two kids went there, when it was still in Heliopolis, in 1987/8 ish.
That thin stratum at the top of Egyptian society is, as you say, obscenely rich. And then you travel round a bit and see so much deep poverty; I worked in Beni Suef, which had the dubious honour of being recognised by the WHO as the poorest city in the World. The contrast is stomach-churning.
That thin stratum at the top of Egyptian society is, as you say, obscenely rich. And then you travel round a bit and see so much deep poverty; I worked in Beni Suef, which had the dubious honour of being recognised by the WHO as the poorest city in the World. The contrast is stomach-churning.
Feb 2nd 2011, 4:55 am
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Feb 2nd 2011, 5:03 am
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Re: Events in Egypt
I predict that the Egyptian people willl break the shackles of despotism, but one thing is becoming quite clear to me:: The US and British governments are proving to be no friend of theirs.
Feb 2nd 2011, 5:19 am
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Yes, because although they're truly awful, they're transient. Egypt's poverty has been there a long time, and I don't really see that the current events will make much improvement.
Feb 2nd 2011, 6:08 am
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Yes. The streets of Cairo 4 years ago made a very depressing and upsetting commute. I saw gut wrenching sights - for example on different occassions I saw at least two dead bodies at the side of the beltway (one had a newspaper politely laid over the face). Wheelchair bound beggards with open wounds, old women begging/selling tissues on the Nile Conrniche. Driving past the city of the living and dead was also awful - What kind of gvernment allows shanties to be set up in graveyards?
Feb 2nd 2011, 2:09 pm
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anyone been watching Sky News? shocking 