The EU after Brexit
Nov 26th 2018, 5:07 am
#91
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Re: The EU after Brexit
Do you honestly think the Italians would have done a better job, economically, without the EU? I mean, the Lira wasn't exactly a shining example was it?
Anyway, pointless discussion.
Yeah, once you're in you can't be in-in or inner or double-in, the only other way is out.
Don't confuse the nationalists. What made Britain 'Great' wasn't the French or Brittany, it was rations and leaving your doors unlocked and chemical castration and cheap housing and all that great stuff.
Anyway, pointless discussion.
Yeah, once you're in you can't be in-in or inner or double-in, the only other way is out.
Don't confuse the nationalists. What made Britain 'Great' wasn't the French or Brittany, it was rations and leaving your doors unlocked and chemical castration and cheap housing and all that great stuff.
Regarding your last comment, one of the saddest things of today's time is the contemptuous sneering at British history. As nations go we have a remarkable history with remarkable accomplishment and output but apparently taking pride in that makes you a red faced gammon.
Nov 26th 2018, 5:08 am
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Re: The EU after Brexit
The only thing I really find great in Britain is our cultural freedoms and these are being eroded by the day.
Nov 26th 2018, 9:20 am
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Re: The EU after Brexit
The Italian economy needs a cheaper currency. It doesn't matter that the Lira wasn't as valuable as the deutschmark. What matters is that the high value of the Euro put Italy at a severe disadvantage with the northern EU economies. Namely Germany. That's a major reason why Italy has been in an economic straightjacket and their real per capita income is the same today as 20 years ago. The euro has crippled Italy's ability to increase productivity. There are many reasons why and much of it has to do with the structuring of Italy's economic model, which isn't like Germany or the Netherlands. Anyway, it illustrates the problem of a one size fits all currency on a continent with vastly different economies.
Regarding your last comment, one of the saddest things of today's time is the contemptuous sneering at British history. As nations go we have a remarkable history with remarkable accomplishment and output but apparently taking pride in that makes you a red faced gammon.
Regarding your last comment, one of the saddest things of today's time is the contemptuous sneering at British history. As nations go we have a remarkable history with remarkable accomplishment and output but apparently taking pride in that makes you a red faced gammon.
Not at all, I'm just sick of the constant peering back at what was. See below.
People seem to think that the 'Great' was put in long ago and then stopped.
Britain is a fantastically 'Great' place with many current things to be proud of. It doesn't have to be something old that we did, created, invented, established, revolutionised or way in which we behaved. It could be modern. It could be that we allow gay marriage or that we helped make (badly it transpired) the European Space Agency's Mars rover, the internet, DNA databases to protect against crims, the Shard, Jony Ive and that in 2016; almost 9 in 10 people did something charitable and one in six volunteered. What's so great about looking backwards?
Nov 26th 2018, 10:49 am
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Re: The EU after Brexit
more likely to fall I think. If you're earning cash outside the UK, the combination of fx rates and falling house prices could doubly work in your favour.
what is affordable? Everyone's different, plus there's a huge difference between London area, and north.
plenty of great houses to be had in the north for not that much money.
what is affordable? Everyone's different, plus there's a huge difference between London area, and north.
plenty of great houses to be had in the north for not that much money.
Nov 26th 2018, 3:33 pm
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Re: The EU after Brexit
I wouldn't want to live in the north despite low house prices. I would overall be hesitant to buy at present until I can be sure that I can actually move to U.K. after Brexit or whether I will need to go through a headache causing visa process to live in U.K. if free movement will not continue.
Brexit or no Brexit makes no difference to me. I'll still need 78k GPB in savings before I can obtain a visa for my family to move the UK, unless there's a change in the law.
I have no sympathy for Europeans complaining in comparison.
Nov 27th 2018, 5:09 am
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Re: The EU after Brexit
Pretty rare for me to agree with anything from the Guardian but Crace's summary of the deal quagmire is right on target.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...hing-is-agreed
I don't see how May can survive this vote. If it was a narrow defeat she'd probably linger on and try to get a second vote. But signs are suggesting a massive 400+ defeat including as many as 100 Tories (maybe even more), so she'd have to resign, wouldn't she? The magnitude of the defeat would make a second vote on the same deal pointless. Then what next? A new PM by Christmas? Who?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...hing-is-agreed
I don't see how May can survive this vote. If it was a narrow defeat she'd probably linger on and try to get a second vote. But signs are suggesting a massive 400+ defeat including as many as 100 Tories (maybe even more), so she'd have to resign, wouldn't she? The magnitude of the defeat would make a second vote on the same deal pointless. Then what next? A new PM by Christmas? Who?
Nov 27th 2018, 9:13 am
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Re: The EU after Brexit
each to their own. Depends what you're looking for. IMO Liverpool, Sheffield, Manchester, Leeds etc are all fantastic places to live.
Brexit or no Brexit makes no difference to me. I'll still need 78k GPB in savings before I can obtain a visa for my family to move the UK, unless there's a change in the law.
I have no sympathy for Europeans complaining in comparison.
Brexit or no Brexit makes no difference to me. I'll still need 78k GPB in savings before I can obtain a visa for my family to move the UK, unless there's a change in the law.
I have no sympathy for Europeans complaining in comparison.
Nov 27th 2018, 12:34 pm
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Re: The EU after Brexit
May's deal summed up in 45 seconds from the eighties.
Nov 29th 2018, 8:29 am
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Re: The EU after Brexit
Ah yeah that sounds familiar. It's a bit of a catch-22 - I want to use my savings as a deposit to buy a house to eventually relocate to in the UK, but if I do that then I won't meet the savings threshold and won't be able to move my family until I secure a job. And if I keep my savings, I won't have a house for my family to live in when we move back, so I'll have to rent something.
Still not as ridiculous as having to provide e-mails, letters and photographs to prove that I have actually met my wife in person when we have 2 kids...
Still not as ridiculous as having to provide e-mails, letters and photographs to prove that I have actually met my wife in person when we have 2 kids...
Nov 29th 2018, 3:05 pm
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Re: The EU after Brexit
18,600 income per year
3,800 1st child
2,400 2nd child
total 24,800
savings must be 16,000 + 2.5x the shortfall in income requirement.
so if no job: 16,000 + 24,800 x 2.5
=16,000 + 62,000
=78,000
which is a lot of money compared to any twobit Romanian who can walk in under FOM with his family and £50 in his pocket.
I'm a remainer on the whole but the difference between the rules for EU married to EU, and UK married to Non-EU, do strike me as unfair.
Not that I've seen anything from anyone about the ending of FOM leading to different rules for Brits. Labour have said they'd make things more reasonable, but I'll believe it when I see it.
Nov 29th 2018, 3:07 pm
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Re: The EU after Brexit
Ah yeah that sounds familiar. It's a bit of a catch-22 - I want to use my savings as a deposit to buy a house to eventually relocate to in the UK, but if I do that then I won't meet the savings threshold and won't be able to move my family until I secure a job. And if I keep my savings, I won't have a house for my family to live in when we move back, so I'll have to rent something.
Still not as ridiculous as having to provide e-mails, letters and photographs to prove that I have actually met my wife in person when we have 2 kids...
Still not as ridiculous as having to provide e-mails, letters and photographs to prove that I have actually met my wife in person when we have 2 kids...
Nov 29th 2018, 3:50 pm
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Re: The EU after Brexit
Fairness is not what Tory Governments do.
Nov 29th 2018, 5:10 pm
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Re: The EU after Brexit
it's more when you have dependant kids.
18,600 income per year
3,800 1st child
2,400 2nd child
total 24,800
savings must be 16,000 + 2.5x the shortfall in income requirement.
so if no job: 16,000 + 24,800 x 2.5
=16,000 + 62,000
=78,000
which is a lot of money compared to any twobit Romanian who can walk in under FOM with his family and £50 in his pocket.
I'm a remainer on the whole but the difference between the rules for EU married to EU, and UK married to Non-EU, do strike me as unfair.
Not that I've seen anything from anyone about the ending of FOM leading to different rules for Brits. Labour have said they'd make things more reasonable, but I'll believe it when I see it.
18,600 income per year
3,800 1st child
2,400 2nd child
total 24,800
savings must be 16,000 + 2.5x the shortfall in income requirement.
so if no job: 16,000 + 24,800 x 2.5
=16,000 + 62,000
=78,000
which is a lot of money compared to any twobit Romanian who can walk in under FOM with his family and £50 in his pocket.
I'm a remainer on the whole but the difference between the rules for EU married to EU, and UK married to Non-EU, do strike me as unfair.
Not that I've seen anything from anyone about the ending of FOM leading to different rules for Brits. Labour have said they'd make things more reasonable, but I'll believe it when I see it.