Buying/investing in UK as a UK Expat
#16
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Re: Buying/investing in UK as a UK Expat
1 bad accountant, lawyer, sparky, plumber etc I’m sure doesn’t give you the same opinion. Other industries deserve respect too.
#17
Re: Buying/investing in UK as a UK Expat
Can you elaborate on point one in your capacity to give such advice? Excuse me for being direct, but unless your qualified, then you’ve no place to say such a thing.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with offshore regular or lump sum savings plans, it’s the adviser that recommends it, that you have to be comfortable with. I’ve been advising these and never had one issue. As long as the adviser takes into consideration of future plans, these are as good as a UK ISA, but without the £20k per year restriction.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with offshore regular or lump sum savings plans, it’s the adviser that recommends it, that you have to be comfortable with. I’ve been advising these and never had one issue. As long as the adviser takes into consideration of future plans, these are as good as a UK ISA, but without the £20k per year restriction.
Completely agree - and this is entirely possible, at low cost with zero lock-in, by buying ETFs or funds through an offshore broker.
Last edited by csdf; Dec 9th 2022 at 10:37 am.
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Re: Buying/investing in UK as a UK Expat
[QUOTE=csdf;13159313]I'm qualified to read T&Cs and see that these plans have egregious management expenses and uncompetitive lock-in periods.
Your not familiar with the new adviser charging model that's now available in the Middle East? The way advisers are paid is now in line with the same as the UK, commission based is still available too, but investors can choose which model suits them better.
I enjoy these objections, because I think I can educate others with the actual correct information.
I don't disagree that ETF's are a very efficient low cost model of investing, but you need to know what your doing and I very much doubt the majority unless qualified will. Whilst most are busy doing the jobs they are qualified to be doing, the markers are also working. So at what point during your busy working day are you meant to switch off, update yourself on the market and know what funds to switch into?
People might have no issue changing a plug socket or even a light fitting, but would you feel comfortable rewiring your home or get a professional in to do it? Your money your risk, I prefer to pay specialists that know what their doing that rather to try and wing it on the cheap.
Each to their own though.
Your not familiar with the new adviser charging model that's now available in the Middle East? The way advisers are paid is now in line with the same as the UK, commission based is still available too, but investors can choose which model suits them better.
I enjoy these objections, because I think I can educate others with the actual correct information.
I don't disagree that ETF's are a very efficient low cost model of investing, but you need to know what your doing and I very much doubt the majority unless qualified will. Whilst most are busy doing the jobs they are qualified to be doing, the markers are also working. So at what point during your busy working day are you meant to switch off, update yourself on the market and know what funds to switch into?
People might have no issue changing a plug socket or even a light fitting, but would you feel comfortable rewiring your home or get a professional in to do it? Your money your risk, I prefer to pay specialists that know what their doing that rather to try and wing it on the cheap.
Each to their own though.
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Re: Buying/investing in UK as a UK Expat
[QUOTE=Duoduo;13159319]
Problem with finance 'professionals' in this part of the world, is that most aren't. They're decent sales people, not money makers for others.
The other problem, in general, with investment advice is it's typically like the above, fear driven and rear-facing. You're too busy to keep doing things, whereas the reality, it's 15 minutes a month to plop it in and buy what's needed and an hour or two every year to rebalance.
I'm sure my Mother's FA spends at least 10 mins telling his assistant which colour bars to use in Excel to show the minimal growth (before fees deducted) for him doing the exact same thing.
I'm qualified to read T&Cs and see that these plans have egregious management expenses and uncompetitive lock-in periods.
Your not familiar with the new adviser charging model that's now available in the Middle East? The way advisers are paid is now in line with the same as the UK, commission based is still available too, but investors can choose which model suits them better.
I enjoy these objections, because I think I can educate others with the actual correct information.
I don't disagree that ETF's are a very efficient low cost model of investing, but you need to know what your doing and I very much doubt the majority unless qualified will. Whilst most are busy doing the jobs they are qualified to be doing, the markers are also working. So at what point during your busy working day are you meant to switch off, update yourself on the market and know what funds to switch into?
People might have no issue changing a plug socket or even a light fitting, but would you feel comfortable rewiring your home or get a professional in to do it? Your money your risk, I prefer to pay specialists that know what their doing that rather to try and wing it on the cheap.
Each to their own though.
Your not familiar with the new adviser charging model that's now available in the Middle East? The way advisers are paid is now in line with the same as the UK, commission based is still available too, but investors can choose which model suits them better.
I enjoy these objections, because I think I can educate others with the actual correct information.
I don't disagree that ETF's are a very efficient low cost model of investing, but you need to know what your doing and I very much doubt the majority unless qualified will. Whilst most are busy doing the jobs they are qualified to be doing, the markers are also working. So at what point during your busy working day are you meant to switch off, update yourself on the market and know what funds to switch into?
People might have no issue changing a plug socket or even a light fitting, but would you feel comfortable rewiring your home or get a professional in to do it? Your money your risk, I prefer to pay specialists that know what their doing that rather to try and wing it on the cheap.
Each to their own though.
The other problem, in general, with investment advice is it's typically like the above, fear driven and rear-facing. You're too busy to keep doing things, whereas the reality, it's 15 minutes a month to plop it in and buy what's needed and an hour or two every year to rebalance.
I'm sure my Mother's FA spends at least 10 mins telling his assistant which colour bars to use in Excel to show the minimal growth (before fees deducted) for him doing the exact same thing.
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Re: Buying/investing in UK as a UK Expat
[QUOTE=Scamp;13159326]
Problem with finance 'professionals' in this part of the world, is that most aren't. They're decent sales people, not money makers for others.
The other problem, in general, with investment advice is it's typically like the above, fear driven and rear-facing. You're too busy to keep doing things, whereas the reality, it's 15 minutes a month to plop it in and buy what's needed and an hour or two every year to rebalance.
I'm sure my Mother's FA spends at least 10 mins telling his assistant which colour bars to use in Excel to show the minimal growth (before fees deducted) for him doing the exact same thing.
Scamp you are very funny, if only it was that easy. I can assure you one thing, taking the approach you highlighted above will end in disappointment! I'm 4 months off 18 years in the industry and seen so many mistakes by self made investors in that time.
Your entitled to your opinion/views but you are so very wrong my forum friend. I just hope that other members aren't reading this thread and agree with your strategy for their own.
I do agree with the sales man comment though, this is why for any investor, they need to do their thorough due diligence on the adviser and their qualifications.
Have a lovely weekend...
Problem with finance 'professionals' in this part of the world, is that most aren't. They're decent sales people, not money makers for others.
The other problem, in general, with investment advice is it's typically like the above, fear driven and rear-facing. You're too busy to keep doing things, whereas the reality, it's 15 minutes a month to plop it in and buy what's needed and an hour or two every year to rebalance.
I'm sure my Mother's FA spends at least 10 mins telling his assistant which colour bars to use in Excel to show the minimal growth (before fees deducted) for him doing the exact same thing.
Your entitled to your opinion/views but you are so very wrong my forum friend. I just hope that other members aren't reading this thread and agree with your strategy for their own.
I do agree with the sales man comment though, this is why for any investor, they need to do their thorough due diligence on the adviser and their qualifications.
Have a lovely weekend...
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Re: Buying/investing in UK as a UK Expat
Scamp you are very funny, if only it was that easy. I can assure you one thing, taking the approach you highlighted above will end in disappointment! I'm 4 months off 18 years in the industry and seen so many mistakes by self made investors in that time.
Your entitled to your opinion/views but you are so very wrong my forum friend. I just hope that other members aren't reading this thread and agree with your strategy for their own.
I do agree with the sales man comment though, this is why for any investor, they need to do their thorough due diligence on the adviser and their qualifications.
Have a lovely weekend...
Whether you're included in that lot or not is largely irrelevant, as a community, these forums are here to help people. I'm sure when I first arrived to the region I was warned off the likes of DeV / G.Eye (etc) and it's only right to keep passing that information on.
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Thanks, I'm not trying to be funny though, just hoping that any new person to the world of NEOM doesn't get lured in by the unscrupulous financial product sellers this part of the world allows to thrive.
Whether you're included in that lot or not is largely irrelevant, as a community, these forums are here to help people. I'm sure when I first arrived to the region I was warned off the likes of DeV / G.Eye (etc) and it's only right to keep passing that information on.
Whether you're included in that lot or not is largely irrelevant, as a community, these forums are here to help people. I'm sure when I first arrived to the region I was warned off the likes of DeV / G.Eye (etc) and it's only right to keep passing that information on.
Please take something from what I'm saying, you have every right to be more than disappointed if someone has done you wrong, but the industry although slow, is moving in a positive way offshore.
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Re: Buying/investing in UK as a UK Expat
No issue with that, I'm the voice of the ones who don't fit that model. Like I've said before, not all FA's are the same, there are also some very good ones in the ME. Rather than continually bash, why don't you mention to others too look for advisers who work on fee and commission basis, that way the client has a choice on how the adviser is remunerated. You'll find the best advisers will be the ones who offer a fee based service, just like in the UK. Absolutely no commission bias then.
Please take something from what I'm saying, you have every right to be more than disappointed if someone has done you wrong, but the industry although slow, is moving in a positive way offshore.
Please take something from what I'm saying, you have every right to be more than disappointed if someone has done you wrong, but the industry although slow, is moving in a positive way offshore.
Call it a fee, call it commission or even confuse the two and combine them, it's not sounding revolutionary.
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Re: Buying/investing in UK as a UK Expat
An investor has he ability to switch off the ongoing advice fee, should they feel it's not value for money, like yourself.
#26
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I was called a couple of times by them - the upfront "advice" was not just misleading, it was incorrect. Luckily I was a lot better informed that the salesman thought I was, as his recommendation would have left me paying fees to his firm so that I would avoid taxes that I am not actually facing. I threatened to report the salesman to his Compliance Officer, and I never heard from him again!
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Re: Buying/investing in UK as a UK Expat
Thanks, I'm not trying to be funny though, just hoping that any new person to the world of NEOM doesn't get lured in by the unscrupulous financial product sellers this part of the world allows to thrive.
Whether you're included in that lot or not is largely irrelevant, as a community, these forums are here to help people. I'm sure when I first arrived to the region I was warned off the likes of DeV / G.Eye (etc) and it's only right to keep passing that information on.
Whether you're included in that lot or not is largely irrelevant, as a community, these forums are here to help people. I'm sure when I first arrived to the region I was warned off the likes of DeV / G.Eye (etc) and it's only right to keep passing that information on.
#28
Re: Buying/investing in UK as a UK Expat
Can you elaborate on point one in your capacity to give such advice? Excuse me for being direct, but unless your qualified, then you’ve no place to say such a thing.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with offshore regular or lump sum savings plans, it’s the adviser that recommends it, that you have to be comfortable with. I’ve been advising these and never had one issue. As long as the adviser takes into consideration of future plans, these are as good as a UK ISA, but without the £20k per year restriction.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with offshore regular or lump sum savings plans, it’s the adviser that recommends it, that you have to be comfortable with. I’ve been advising these and never had one issue. As long as the adviser takes into consideration of future plans, these are as good as a UK ISA, but without the £20k per year restriction.
Expats can invest via offshore platforms without exit penalties, with great fund choices, and with full transparency in terms of charges and adviser fees. They just need to speak with a real adviser, not salespeople. Vastly different.
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Commenting as a well qualified and experienced adviser, this is not true. Offshore regular savinsg plans are nothing like an ISA in any way. They are expensive, limited in fund options, and not tax-efficient. They pay HUGE amounts of commissions to sales people.
Expats can invest via offshore platforms without exit penalties, with great fund choices, and with full transparency in terms of charges and adviser fees. They just need to speak with a real adviser, not salespeople. Vastly different.
Expats can invest via offshore platforms without exit penalties, with great fund choices, and with full transparency in terms of charges and adviser fees. They just need to speak with a real adviser, not salespeople. Vastly different.