Pollyana

Can people please keep this to a rational and objectively balanced discussion. There is no need to bring individual personalities into it.

Millhouse

Like it or not, I wasn't wrong - the Brexit campaigners will use this news.

UK could be safer out of Europe, says former MI6 chief: Sir Richard Dearlove suggests Brexit would make it easier to deport terrorists


What's interesting is today the Turks have said... oh yes, we knew who they were - we told Brussels they were trouble as we deported them from the Syrian border.

Millhouse

I had you down as an "In" campaigner, Norm

mikelincs

That would very much depend as to whether we joined the EEA, if we did, then the freedom of movement would still apply, and the decision as to whethere we joined the EEA will be down to the government, not the people.

Millhouse

Any government that signs up to the EEA after losing the Brexit campaign would be undertaking political suicide. Clearly Brexit is all about borders - it's the only issue being discussed.

nonthaburi

Any decision not to be in The EEA, would be political suicide. Businesses would be leaving the UK very quickly without access to the European market at good prices.

Millhouse

Don't confuse the EEA and the EFTA

Theseus

Actually I think there's more talk about the economic effects, however as no-one agrees on what the impact will be on British business its impossible to make a decision. My instinct says in, but I don't know enough and can't seem to find out enough to make an informed decision.


I'm nervous of the UK government using an exit to make sweeping changes to things that exist to protect people. The UK government have been trying to get away from the European human rights bill for some time and I think an exit will make that easier although is not directly affected by exiting the EU it paves the way.


Reprehensible people like IDS and BJ wanting out automatically make me think there is an ulterior motive and we should remain IN.


The reports from various idiots who believe we will be safer by closing our borders are delusional. What will closing our borders do to stop the born and bred British citizens who have become radicalised? All it will do is stop the flow of working age people into the country who are needed. We have major skill shortage issues. How will that affect the economy i.e. the building trade, and more importantly we need carers and healthcare personnel to look after our aging population. (damn baby boomers )


ETA: We in the UK are under threat, we have been under threat for a long time. We get on with life in the knowledge that an attack could happen at any time. Leaving the EU won't change that.

nonthaburi

@millhouse

So you're saying you think they would opt for an EFTA(Swiss) option, rather than an EEA(Norway) option?

jam25mack

I'm not in the know enough to come up with an educated pro or no argument, however, I was talking to a chap in the bar the other day.... He's a Brit who went to Uni in France, Spain and Germany where he studied politics and economics. He has worked all across Europe and Asia, including a stint in Brussels for an EU think tank and described himself as a "true European"..... and yet when I jokingly asked the question he said he honestly didn't know and was finding himself leaning more and more towards the out vote.... He said it went against pretty much all his core beliefs but he honestly thnks its now the way to go.

Millhouse

It would be impossible to say. It will all be such a mess. They will experiment with everything. What is clear, is that any Brexit vote is driven by immigration.

Theseus nails it - she (and me) and everyone who is voting doesn't not have enough information to be able to make an informed decision. I also believe that if you gave the masses that information, they would not be able to understand it. This is why it boils down to immigration - the masses can see immigration and see (only) the negative aspects of it.

The issue is always the information void.