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Re: Brexshit
Originally Posted by TheShed
(Post 12664113)
In this regard, I would rather have highly educated and intelligent people from all over the world than the idiotic dumbed down to nothing freaks from Europe who only know how to follow their health and safety rules.
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Re: Brexshit
Originally Posted by TheShed
(Post 12664113)
To be very honest, I think that your reply above is extremely condescending to those of us who did vote leave and you are virtually calling us all stupid.
Do you really think we have so little intelligence that we believe the crap spouted by the BBC and Sky News? I certainly did not. I couldn't give a monkeys crap about the borders, the 350m or any of the other headline rubbish; I'm not even against immigration as the UK sorely needs more workers for tax generation. In this regard, I would rather have highly educated and intelligent people from all over the world than the idiotic dumbed down to nothing freaks from Europe who only know how to follow their health and safety rules. I did my own due diligence in regards to Lisbon 2, the trade flows between UK and EU vs UK and RoW and just how much the EU influences my home country and how ineffective our own parliament has become. I made a decision and expected our ELECTED government to uphold that decision. I did all of that whilst holding down a highly responsible job running a global business, so please don't assume that all leavers are stupid!! I actually think that if we get to a post-Brexit (highly unlikely to happen now) we should revoke passports from anyone involved in turning over the decision and taking away our democratic system. Seriously, some people just can't lose can they. I'm not sure the EU caused the socioeconomic imbalances in the UK and even if it did, I'm not sure leaving is the answer either. What is interesting is that given demographics and technology trends which are impossible to avoid, Europe will be largely irrelevant in 20 years. Brexit may - just may - give us a chance to survive by flooding the place with immigrants under a skills based system but America always wins in that game. |
Re: Brexshit
Back on Brexit as it currently stands, the EU have said that an extension could come again but would need strong reason.
If you're the EU, is it time to just say "no....**** off on the 12th April and deal with it, we aren't here to keep hanging on to agree to something temporary. We've had time to agree something, we have, you can't get it through parliament, that's your problem, not the EU's." The UK should spend this time and effort on working towards a long term plan, not to survive the next two years. I'm starting to convince myself that No Deal won't just be the most entertaining option (which we all know it would be and the sadist in all of us wants to see the chaos) but the longer this rumbles on, the only option. |
Re: Brexshit
Wait until we have those blue passports and Queen Victoria is back on the throne. Probably with martial law and Rees-Mogg as Supreme Leader.
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Re: Brexshit
A friend has just told me that, for the first time ever, it’s more than probable that the end of May will come before the end of April! |
Re: Brexshit
Originally Posted by hnd
(Post 12664690)
A friend has just told me that, for the first time ever, it’s more than probable that the end of May will come before the end of April! |
Re: Brexshit
Originally Posted by Scamp
(Post 12664126)
I don't think you were being called stupid personally and I think the original point stands that a lot of the stuff touted was highly misleading and will have misled some / many / a few voters. Those people may stick to their guns, some would swap now. Some remain voters might now vote leave if asked again. For example, I think I'd stay remain if asked again because I still can't see the positives in my working lifetime of leaving the EU.
Anyway, the bits in red detract from your post, which had some good points. In my opinion. There is a perception among the remain community that, in general, we Brexiteers are uninformed thugs who are just anti immigration. That was my rather vague reference to stupid. I did mis write the second point (due to boiling anger with the hopeless parliament) and should have better written about my hatred for the OTT rules and regulations from the EU which I believe restrict ours and the rest of Europes competitiveness. Yes, Scot47, we have made workplaces much safer but there are some who take it too far and use it as an excuse to add hours/days/months to a project. There is rarely reward without some measure of risk. Millhouse, I used public information taken from our balance of payments of EU vs RoW from various sources. Yes, I probably look through Rose poorer glasses in the same way that some remainders only focus on the EU positives. I truly believe that UKs innovation and services have far greater value to developing nations than to the way more developed and heterogenous, one size fits all, EU marketplace. I am also totally scared of part two of the Lisbon accord. I’ll get my coat. Apologies to anyone one I may have offended but we leavers do also feel very strongly on this side of the fence but are rarely heard due to the fact that Losers tend to shout louder than winners ! i’ll get Another coat. MissAT. I don’t need to prove anything, we won. Taxi for one please. |
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Again, Shed, despite your claim to research and knowledge, you have offered no facts, no analysis, no specifics, just more empty "britannia rules the waves" nonsense.
Apropos one remark you made: you do realise that there is no restriction on the UK doing global deals on services as a member of the EU, whose trade rules only apply to goods? And as for innovation, the market-opening trade deals done by the EU seem only to have facilitated the innovation-led global export success of other member states. How is UK innovation going to be stimulated by the loss or constriction of these trade channels which is the inevitable consequence of Brexit? The UK government has just demonstrated its negotation competence on one huge issue of critical national importance. I do not have any confidence they can successfully manage dozens of simultaneous trade negotiations from a severely weakened position... I understand that people may want Brexit from a philosophical point of view but there is no rational economic argument at all that supports it. Its like religion or any other ideology: it only makes sense to true believers who dont require evidence because they've already made up their minds. That's why I am now, with a heavy heart, hoping for a no-deal crash-out as this will quickly demonstrate the economic illiteracy (to quote the FT) of the ERG and their ilk and bring public opinion sharply around to demanding a sensible accommodation with the EU. |
Re: Brexshit
Originally Posted by TheShed
(Post 12664739)
(due to boiling anger with the hopeless parliament) |
Re: Brexshit
Originally Posted by Miss Ann Thrope
(Post 12665114)
I understand that people may want Brexit from a philosophical point of view but there is no rational economic argument at all that supports it.
Trade is also only half of the issue. FoM, Libson 2, etc are what people are fearful of. |
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And now Brexiteer Tories, who are vehemently against a second referendum, are seeking a new vote on Theresa May's leadership - despite the fact she won a confidence vote last year and cannot be challenged for 12 months - because "things have changed now."
I wonder if any of them can spell "irony" :D |
Re: Brexshit
Well May herself, who is profoundly against a second referendum because "the people have spoken" seems to think it's fine to repeatedly go back to parliament for a vote on her proposal, until she gets the answer she wants. So it's irony all around.
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Re: Brexshit
Originally Posted by csdf
(Post 12665811)
Well May herself, who is profoundly against a second referendum because "the people have spoken" seems to think it's fine to repeatedly go back to parliament for a vote on her proposal, until she gets the answer she wants. So it's irony all around.
No Deal is off the table (delivered) A long extension to A50 (imminent) The Backstop bear-trap for Phase 2 negotiation (imminent). We need a Public Inquiry to expose the shadowy, anti-democratic figures behing these bizarre events. |
Re: Brexshit
A long delay is literally the last thing the UK needed.
Whilst I voted against it and would prefer the UK to stay in the EU, enough is enough. Let's just ****ing get on with it. |
Re: Brexshit
Originally Posted by Scamp
(Post 12665831)
A long delay is literally the last thing the UK needed.
The only thing that's basically in our control is revoking Art.50 |
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