Originally Posted by jam25mack (Post 12092808)

In what sense? If I'd have voted, it would have been leave and I'm not even close to being a racist bigot!

Either way, after having a glance in TIO and the Immigration and Brexit thread I've zero intention of getting caught up in one of those sh!t storms. Even if you do your research and have a first class degree in politics and economics the retards on there (from both sides) would still continue to sling mud.

Originally Posted by Inselaffen (Post 12093548)

In a way it showed that large sections of the population had finally had enough of their concerns over immigration and the erosion of British culture being ignored. For many Multiculturalism had gone too far.

Originally Posted by DXBtoDOH (Post 12093431)

You're right in implying there's a certain finality about the referendum outcome. Unlike a general election there's (most likely) no chance for a future reversal, can't vote in and out the EU like we can the political parties.

But there is nothing to prevent the emergence of a new pro-EU party or latching onto the LibDems with a platform of taking Britain back into the EU. So the democratic channels for returning to the EU is still there - if you can muster the support for it, that is.

I won't deny that some of the Leave figureheads can have been harsh in dismissing the concerns and fears and frustrations of the losing Remain side. But perhaps it's understandable in the context. Eurosceptics spent decades being dismissed as minor cranks, lectured that the EU was the way of the future and there was no going back, promised referendums before signing of major treaties, but those treaties were signed without referendums as Blair/Brown knew they would have lost. And there was the whole element of "sorry, there's nothing we can do about X or Y or Z issue because it's EU law" - such as the FOM crisis. So perhaps that's why they're not so sympathetic to the Remain side whinging about being told to shut up and put up with the verdict.

But as mentioned, we are still very much a flourishing democracy. All the democratic channels remain for a pro-EU camp to resurrect themselves into a new party to call for returning to the EU. As you can probably infer - there's already such talks among the talking heads.

Addressing your earlier frustration, the EU debate was presented as two neatly defined opposing parameters: either in the EU totally, or out of the EU totally. Most British people would have liked some kind of compromise, but the EU wasn't willing to compromise on their sensitive principles - FOM, while the majority of UK voters weren't willing to compromise on unlimited FOM from the EU. Cameron's failed negotiations made that clear, so the inflexibility of the EU is certainly to be partially blamed for reducing the debate down to a Yes/No situation and when you have such a situation, you have to end up with a losing side.

As Winston Churchill once said, democracy is the worst form of government, except for all other forms of government ;)

Originally Posted by norsk (Post 12093946)

The whole referendum was a farce. It should never have been allowed to happen and it only did because DC is a complete moron..

Originally Posted by DXBtoDOH (Post 12094351)

Being told oh, you can't have a referendum because we don't trust you just doesn't cut the cake in a highly educated and developed western country with a long history of democracy.
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Originally Posted by Scamp (Post 12093445)

I haven't said that all Leave voters ARE bigots. I was just enjoying your joke about it.

My Mum voted leave and she can say it's because the EU isn't what we joined all she likes but I know she was swayed by immigration. 100%.

I voted remain because it's what I think would have been better for the UK as a whole.

I think it's a real shame that so much pedalling of shit happened, both sides treated voters like complete idiots. Fair play to Leave for really targeting hard and focusing their efforts using modern technology instead of a ****ing leaflet drop (BBC Link

The TIO forums are a blast. Because in there you have the absolute extremes and I will never accept that the key, repetitive Leave voters in there are not bigots.

Originally Posted by lightandbitter2 (Post 12094393)

High Court will give their ruling at 10am GMT.

Originally Posted by Millhouse (Post 12094558)

Which is probably meaningless as it will be appealed.

(and it made brexit harder)

Originally Posted by mikelincs (Post 12094562)

But it depends on whether the Supreme court uphold the High Court decision, then, I suppose, the Government may well have to go to the ECJ. Until all this is sorted, then Article 50 can't be activated, so he timeline seems to be getting later and later, and if the Government lose, then Brexit just can't happen.

Originally Posted by mikelincs (Post 12094562)

But it depends on whether the Supreme court uphold the High Court decision, then, I suppose, the Government may well have to go to the ECJ. Until all this is sorted, then Article 50 can't be activated, so he timeline seems to be getting later and later, and if the Government lose, then Brexit just can't happen.

Originally Posted by mikelincs (Post 12094562)

But it depends on whether the Supreme court uphold the High Court decision, then, I suppose, the Government may well have to go to the ECJ. Until all this is sorted, then Article 50 can't be activated, so he timeline seems to be getting later and later, and if the Government lose, then Brexit just can't happen.

Originally Posted by co durham boy (Post 12094573)

The Government won't lose