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Re: Brexit Negotiations
Originally Posted by captainflack
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The issue is not the port capacity. The goods need to come into the UK regardless of whether the UK is in or out of the EU if trade is to stay the same or increase moderately.
The issue is with customs. Presently the vast majority of trade is with the EU, hence no customs. After brexit, the number of customs checks at Dover and elsewhere is expected to go from 60m a year to 300m. There will need to be a similar increase in the capacity of customs systems to handle this, that means more space for storage of goods in customs, more officers, more training, upgraded computer systems, etc. Of course, the UK could just decide to wave things through without any customs checks for the several years it will take to put systems in place. But the EU will be busy trousering tariffs on everything the UK ships there, 40% on beef, etc. So I very much doubt brexitters will be happy about waving EU imports through willy nilly. Maybe we should make all french wine imports go through a small hut near gravesend with one man and a rubber stamp, that should sort their vile muck out. Its what the french did to stop japanese video recorders many years ago... |
Re: Brexit Negotiations
Originally Posted by Moses2013
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With no border here in Ireland, you can just ship to Belfast, relabel and drive to Dublin to avoid tax. Another reason why both countries don't want a border and already plenty of business ideas in place;).
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Re: Brexit Negotiations
Originally Posted by Miss Ann Thrope
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This all just brings it back to where the f@@k was the hapless Remain campaign? Why was it so impossible to coherently articulate the factual and emotional case for the UK being at the heart of Europe? Just a little better job on making the case would have sufficed. But they were useless...
The citizens of the rest of Europe, while they may not be happy with some of the EU institutions (nor with their own governments, surprise surprise), are still able to recognise that rearranging the furniture is not best accomplished by burning down the house. |
Re: Brexit Negotiations
Originally Posted by littlejimmy
(Post 12336583)
They thought they would win (everyone did, even Leave thought they would lose) and there was no plan at all for losing, there was no safety net like a super-majority for a constitutional change of this magnitude and it was all rushed through without proper planning. Cameron and his bunch did it to try and keep their party united and to win the 2015 GE. They didn't count on the right wing press turning on them and they didn't count on the Great British public taking their chance to administer a swift kick to the nads.
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Re: Brexit Negotiations
Originally Posted by TheShed
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That’s a decent post! Either side of the argument, it’s pretty realistic.
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Re: Brexit Negotiations
They'll get over it.
People always do. Well, except those who post in the Guardian comments.
Originally Posted by littlejimmy
(Post 12337054)
This whole thing has just opened up a massive wound and divided the country.
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Re: Brexit Negotiations
Originally Posted by DXBtoDOH
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They'll get over it.
People always do. Well, except those who post in the Guardian comments. |
Re: Brexit Negotiations
Originally Posted by littlejimmy
(Post 12337054)
This whole thing has just opened up a massive wound and divided the country.
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Re: Brexit Negotiations
Ah, you remembered.
It got sorted out in Edinburgh so the rest of the legs were fine. I'm chasing for a refund. BA still can't explain why the name got screwed up but the reps I spoke with have suggested a refund for the second booking could be possible :unsure: we will see.
Originally Posted by Miss Ann Thrope
(Post 12337084)
So did you get on your US flight without any penalty in the end?
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Re: Brexit Negotiations
Exactly. Blaming it on the Tory leadership is just a red herring.
Originally Posted by Inselaffen
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the massive wound and divided country was already there and just taped over and hidden away.
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Re: Brexit Negotiations
Originally Posted by littlejimmy
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Thanks. It's just my point of view. I don't see how getting angry with or blaming people who voted Leave helps us. They had their reasons. This whole thing has just opened up a massive wound and divided the country. It's hard to see how we heal the wound. The people to blame are the politicians and the mendacious media, IMO.
That and only minorities demonstrate. |
Re: Brexit Negotiations
Originally Posted by uk_grenada
(Post 12336566)
Duh, TIR scheme has nothing to do with the EU, what % of containers get scanned, how they are targetted - i dont care - i also dont care if the border force grows, it needs to anyway. The sanctions on mislabelling are large but there is now plenty of eu fiddling going on so samo samo...
The Chancellor warned of “significant disruption†if trucks entering the UK are held for even minutes more The guy in charge of HMRC seems to think there will be problems. Maybe it's time for him to go, and you to take the job? Brexit promised simple solutions, and unfortunately it appears to appeal to simple minded people who think that all the problems are simple to resolve when the real world is rather more complicated. I am not saying it cannot be done. It can. At considerable cost, and if the UK had 5 years or so. It would have well under two years, even if it started tomorrow. But it's not hiring customs staff or doing any expansion, hence is betting the farm on a transitional deal because if it doesn't get one, there is no time to do anything else. There is no plan 'b'. The choices are only these: a) transitional deal (on whatever terms the EU demands) b) gridlock at ports c) no deal, but UK just waves everything from the EU through, while the EU stops and collects tariffs of 40% on UK beef, etc. or more if the UK cannot get WTO agreement to its new rate card. As Greece found out, you have all the referendums you want, puff your chest up and demand whatever you want from the EU because of what "your people" voted for. And they will tell you that its not their job to do what "your people" want, it's their job to act in the interests of the rest of the members. And the UK, just like Greece, will capitulate, because like Greece, the alternatives are far, far worse. |
Re: Brexit Negotiations
Greece - the pigs will take all they can safe in the inowledge that brussels cant afford for them to fail. - that ones a 2 way street. What amuses me is the way the greek people avoid with great effect attempts to have taxable anything - assets income etc etc. Its a broke country with a huge number of poor people with very nice houses cars businesses etc etc.
Look at the way greece conned the eu into modernising its island infrastructure, sure there were loans but a lot of grants. 10 years ago the place was littered with posters advertising the wonders of free eu plumbing. |
Re: Brexit Negotiations
You dont understand TIR do you. The carnet and online handling makes admin a lot quicker for the receiving authority. Goods leaving the eu will now either require this or potentially get slowed up which means potential loss of their business/spoilage.
What proportion of containers do you imagine get looked at now? I knew a couple of years ago how many left felixtowe - like every 30 seconds - you think many are scrutinised? |
Re: Brexit Negotiations
Originally Posted by Moses2013
(Post 12336564)
With no border here in Ireland, you can just ship to Belfast, relabel and drive to Dublin to avoid tax. Another reason why both countries don't want a border and already plenty of business ideas in place;).
The only ways to avoid a border: (a) UK remains in customs union (b) NI remains in customs union, customs border moves to irish sea between UK and NI (c) Ireland leaves EU, joins UK customs union (d) Northern Ireland votes to leave UK, join Ireland. (c) is out of the question. Ireland spent a very long time fighting to be independent from the UK, and since then it's prospered and is one of the richest countries in the EU - significantly richer than the UK (GDP / person). It's not going to leave the EU or join the UK regardless. (a) seems unlikely, other than for perhaps a couple of years as a transitional deal, unless the UK changes its stance. Perhaps closer to d-day, this might become more likely, when it's clear the UK is running out of time and is at the point of having to do a Greece and eat sh1t, because it has no alternative (b) this might be a good long term solution. Unfortunately, the Tories are propped up by the DUP, who will never accept it. They don't want any kind of checks between NI and the mainland, or any different status for NI. (d) possible longer term due to demographics. Also, I know quite a few protestant northern irish who lack the zealotry of older hardcore protestants, and are very pro-EU, and hold both passports. I think at least some of those are leaning towards reunification, because ireland is richer, and the risk of a border coming back will make NI much poorer at a time when the UK is unlikely to have more money to lavish on buying DUP support. It's a mess, but it's certain there will not be an open border unless there is a deal along the lines of one of the four options above. |
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